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911 Smoking Gun: Officer Says Military Blocked Sharing of Fi

Post by Squareball2 » 08-17-2005 10:44 AM

Firstly, why is this a smoking gun? The title of the story is misleading. This isn't about sharing information this is about PROTECTING the patsies...ermm terrorists.

Recently we saw the exact same thing in London. The london officials want nothing to do with the 'mastermind' because he is an MI6 agent. At every turn they stonewalled efforts to arrest him. Now we learn that parts of our OWN government were doing the same thing back in 2000 with their own terrorists. Folks, it's becoming more and more clear to me who was behind 9-11 and it wasn't some arabs sitting in a cave in the middle of a desert.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/polit ... nted=print

The New York Times
August 17, 2005
Officer Says Military Blocked Sharing of Files on Terrorists
By PHILIP SHENON

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - A military intelligence team repeatedly contacted the F.B.I. in 2000 to warn about the existence of an American-based terrorist cell that included the ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, according to a veteran Army intelligence officer who said he had now decided to risk his career by discussing the information publicly.

The officer, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, said military lawyers later blocked the team from sharing any of its information with the bureau.

Colonel Shaffer said in an interview on Monday night that the small, highly classified intelligence program, known as Able Danger, had identified the terrorist ringleader, Mohamed Atta, and three other future hijackers by name by mid-2000, and tried to arrange a meeting that summer with agents of the Washington field office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to share its information.

But he said military lawyers forced members of the intelligence program to cancel three scheduled meetings with the F.B.I. at the last minute, which left the bureau without information that Colonel Shaffer said might have led to Mr. Atta and the other terrorists while the Sept. 11 attacks were still being planned.

"I was at the point of near insubordination over the fact that this was something important, that this was something that should have been pursued," Colonel Shaffer said of his efforts to get the evidence from the intelligence program to the F.B.I. in 2000 and early 2001.

He said he learned later that lawyers associated with the Special Operations Command of the Defense Department had canceled the F.B.I. meetings because they feared controversy if Able Danger was portrayed as a military operation that had violated the privacy of civilians who were legally in the United States.

"It was because of the chain of command saying we're not going to pass on information - if something goes wrong, we'll get blamed," he said.

The Defense Department did not dispute the account from Colonel Shaffer, a 42-year-old native of Kansas City, Mo., who is the first military officer associated with the program to acknowledge his role publicly.

At the same time, the department said in a statement that it was "working to gain more clarity on this issue" and that "it's too early to comment on findings related to the program identified as Able Danger." The F.B.I. referred calls about Colonel Shaffer to the Pentagon.

The account from Colonel Shaffer, a reservist who is also working part time for the Pentagon, corroborates much of the information that the Sept. 11 commission has acknowledged it received about Able Danger last July from a Navy captain who was also involved with the program but whose name has not been made public. In a statement issued last week, the leaders of the commission said the panel had concluded that the intelligence program "did not turn out to be historically significant."

The statement said that while the commission did learn about Able Danger in 2003 and immediately requested Pentagon files about it, none of the documents turned over by the Defense Department referred to Mr. Atta or any of the other hijackers.

Colonel Shaffer said that his role in Able Danger was as liaison with the Defense Intelligence Agency in Washington, and that he was not an intelligence analyst. The interview with Colonel Shaffer on Monday was arranged for The New York Times and Fox News by Representative Curt Weldon, the Pennsylvania Republican who is vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and a champion of data-mining programs like Able Danger.

Colonel Shaffer's lawyer, Mark Zaid, said in an interview that he was concerned that Colonel Shaffer was facing retaliation from the Defense Department, first for having talked to the Sept. 11 commission staff in October 2003 and now for talking with news organizations.

Mr. Zaid said that Colonel Shaffer's security clearance was suspended last year because of what the lawyer said were a series of "petty allegations" involving $67 in personal charges on a military cellphone. He said that despite the disciplinary action, Colonel Shaffer had been promoted this year from major.

Colonel Shaffer said he had decided to allow his name to be used in part because of his frustration with the statement issued last week by the commission leaders, Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton.

The commission said in its final report last year that American intelligence agencies had not identified Mr. Atta as a terrorist before Sept. 11, 2001, when he flew an American Airlines jet into one of the World Trade Center towers in New York.

A commission spokesman did not return repeated phone calls on Tuesday for comment. A Democratic member of the commission, Richard Ben-Veniste, the former Watergate prosecutor, said in an interview on Tuesday that while he could not judge the credibility of the information from Colonel Shaffer and others, the Pentagon needed to "provide a clear and comprehensive explanation regarding what information it had in its possession regarding Mr. Atta."

"And if these assertions are credible," Mr. Ben-Veniste continued, "the Pentagon would need to explain why it was that the 9/11 commissioners were not provided this information despite requests for all information regarding Able Danger."

Colonel Shaffer said he had provided information about Able Danger and its identification of Mr. Atta in a private meeting in October 2003 with members of the Sept. 11 commission staff when they visited Afghanistan, where he was then serving. Commission members have disputed that, saying that they do not recall hearing Mr. Atta's name during the briefing and that the name did not appear in documents about Able Danger that were later turned over by the Pentagon.

"I would implore the 9/11 commission to support a follow-on investigation to ascertain what the real truth is," Colonel Shaffer said in the interview this week. "I do believe the 9/11 commission should have done that job: figuring out what went wrong with Able Danger."

"This was a good news story because, before 9/11, you had an element of the military - our unit - which was actually out looking for Al Qaeda," he continued. "I can't believe the 9/11 commission would somehow believe that the historical value was not relevant."

Colonel Shaffer said that because he was not an intelligence analyst, he was not involved in the details of the procedures used in Able Danger to glean information from terrorist databases, nor was he aware of which databases had supplied the information that might have led to the name of Mr. Atta or other terrorists so long before the Sept. 11 attacks.

But he said he did know that Able Danger had made use of publicly available information from government immigration agencies, from Internet sites and from paid search engines like LexisNexis.
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Post by Ninerism » 08-17-2005 10:09 PM

SB-2, as I have contended all along, this attack was assured to take place, just as history repeated itself after the first PEARL HARBOR. This one was worse, since the targets were civilians-- to arrouse public passions to support the neo-cons pre-planning to engage/attack Iraq long before we had heard '9/11' become a new linguistic twist in our lexicon.

It ought to become more apparent to those True Believers, who have supported those two preemptive wars and counting, that we are being hoodwinked by the official stories concerning how we came to see the Twin Towers toppled by rag-tags hiding in caves.

Plainly, we have a serious case of nazification's going on, and more Americans are coming to ask serious questions on matters of our SHADOW GOVERNMENT, and what sort of games are being engaged to fool most of us.

As a great American Senator stated concerning 9-11 attacks: WE HAVE BEEN HOODWINKED.

No, folks, we are not mad-hatter conspiracy theorists, but we are intelligent people who see the many patterns of deceptions and cover-ups concerning 9-11, and we dare to ask ourselves questions, even if concerning our militarists directly involved in our military-industrial complex.

President IKE was never accused of being ANTI-AMERICAN when he had warned the public about the extremely inherent dangers of relying too strongly on our military-industrial complex appratus to secure our ECONOMIC viability in the world. Clearly, President IKE was no fool, either. President IKE was never accused of being a "CONSPIRACY THEORIST", either! So, why should we who are asking the probing questions about 9-11 be chastised?

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Post by Iris » 08-17-2005 11:32 PM

SB2 and Niner, they have so much to hide! I hope this all comes out -- all of it!



Fire Dept Tape Invalidates Key Points Official 911 Story

Firefighters who had reached the eightieth floor of the north tower reported they were eyewitnesses to fact much of the fire caused by burning jet fuel had by then largely burned out, although some burning and smoldering areas still remained. Not once did firefighters on site at " ground zero" of ground zero indicate the slightest concern that fires were still burning at an intensity which threatened their own or others' safety -- certainly not that conditions were so severe that the very integrity of the entire structure itself was threatened! On the contrary: they indicated that conditions were controllable: that they planned to conduct survivors safely out of the building, and to then bring in equipment and personnel to extinguish any remaining burning/smoldering areas.

And what, exactly, does all this mean? It means that the total structural failure of the two massive, superbly-engineered/designed edifices known as the WTC towers did NOT result from jet fuel flash-fires burning at under 900 degrees Fahrenheit -- when steel used in WTC construction needed temperatures over THREE TIMES HIGHER to actually "MELT."

Posted Aug 17, 2005 09:07 PM PST
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 08-18-2005 12:33 PM

You want more ---

NY TIMES
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/inter ... nted=print

August 17, 2005
State Dept. Says It Warned About bin Laden in 1996
By ERIC LICHTBLAU

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - State Department analysts warned the Clinton administration in July 1996 that Osama bin Laden's move to Afghanistan would give him an even more dangerous haven as he sought to expand radical Islam "well beyond the Middle East," but the government chose not to deter the move, newly declassified documents show.

In what would prove a prescient warning, the State Department intelligence analysts said in a top-secret assessment on Mr. bin Laden that summer that "his prolonged stay in Afghanistan - where hundreds of 'Arab mujahedeen' receive terrorist training and key extremist leaders often congregate - could prove more dangerous to U.S. interests in the long run than his three-year liaison with Khartoum," in Sudan.

The declassified documents, obtained by the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch as part of a Freedom of Information Act request and provided to The New York Times, shed light on a murky and controversial chapter in Mr. bin Laden's history: his relocation from Sudan to Afghanistan as the Clinton administration was striving to understand the threat he posed and explore ways of confronting him.

Before 1996, Mr. bin Laden was regarded more as a financier of terrorism than a mastermind. But the State Department assessment, which came a year before he publicly urged Muslims to attack the United States, indicated that officials suspected he was taking a more active role, including in the bombings in June 1996 that killed 19 members American soldiers at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.

Two years after the State Department's warning, with Mr. bin Laden firmly entrenched in Afghanistan and overseeing terrorist training and financing operations, Al Qaeda struck two American embassies in East Africa, leading to failed military attempts by the Clinton administration to capture or kill him in Afghanistan. Three years later, on Sept. 11, 2001, Al Qaeda struck the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in an operation overseen from the base in Afghanistan.


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They are also calling it ABLE DANGER - google articles on it...

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Post by Rombaldi » 08-18-2005 12:45 PM

And the incoming Clinton adminstration WARNED Bush about Osama... and they blew it off ("Bin Laden Determined to Strike within America")... so what's your point? Chimp had the ball and dropped it.
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Post by Ninerism » 08-18-2005 01:29 PM

Cherry, as Rombi states it correctly, the out-going Clinton admin repeatedly sought to obtain the interests of Bush and his people, such as Condi Rice, but they all turned a deaf ear,and were much more interested in focusing on getting a war going in IRAQ!

Astonishing, isn't it? That two administrations would fail to understand the gravity of intell reports being compiled about OSAMA?

Well, no, not really, since it was our very own CIA that spent many $MILLIONS to see to it that OSAMA was able to be trained and spread his schools of fundy-hatred across Iraq. Thus in a nut-shell, a hard nut to crack, is the fact that we created the monstrous and illusory vaporous ghosts of OSAMA, if not mostly illusionary WAR ON TERRORISM, as we crafted those BANNA-NAZI events to ensure OSAMA's success would come to fruition.

So, there were clear signs: We wanted our second war to go forth in IRAQ, by hook and by crook. WE WERE HOODWINKED about events of 9-11, just as that old venerable Senator stated not so very long ago.

Yes, Cherry, it is important to know that the Clinton admin, so busy and distracted with big mouth LaMoneyka getting stuffed with her reports she clearly sought to make against him, and eager to save evidence of stained dress, was on a select mission....one which I personally believe involved the Mossad. She was not a foolish political creature who had no understanding of socio-politics, that's fer certain.

It's not a digression, as it appears those events would assure distractions, so that OSMAMA's training via our CIA could grow stronger,and his allies be given some of those $MILLIONS, too. Ah, yes, and the DRUG stuff, too.

That's my take on the matter, that our SECRET GOVERNMENT, or our SHADOW GOVERNMENT, runs circles around ordinary events to keep us all spinning, hoping that we never deduce that many events are under control.

As I have repeatedly stated, rightly or not, our SHADOW GOVERNMENT policies could not exist without the harnessing of our intell-agencies. Central to that belief is that President John Fitzgerald Kennedy sought to completely disband the CIA, and he suffered grave assault for that mission.

The American War in Vietnam had been decided by the SHADOW PLAYERS would proceed with or without Kennedy as president.

Make no mistake, President Johnson, a good ole boy of Democratic stripes, knew the score, clearly, as did his peachy keen wife, Lady Bird, whose family owned powerful construction business -- that profitted greatly in the American War in Vietnam. The beautification of America's highways and biways was the mission of Lady Bird, too, though her credit is made dubious since we had to create so much carnage and destruction, and poison Vietnam's eco-systems in the process. Is that true eco-"balance", or didn't we create vast eco-terrorism with our American War in Vietnam, too?

President Johnson knew he was telling on-going Big Lies to the American people as he repeated over and over and over that we were winning the American War in Vietnam. He also was assured 'convictions' of conscience by others, including General Westmoreland, who believed our war was justified there. All the bean counters in Washington DC continued those Big Lies, too, body counts not with standing, they continually lied to the public that the war was being won and was winnable.

Yes, you are correct, both sides of the aisles in Congress are corrupted by money-powers. And thus we are also in two terrible preemptive wars that are without honor, too. The military-industrial complex did not go silent after we fled Vietnam -- it only went on to manufacture other war causes, aided by the CIA's programs of vast subterfuge.

We cannot assess OSAMA correctly, unless we focus on his creation by our CIA. We cannot understand the war in Iraq, until we understand that there have been long-standing fascist interests to harness hatred and religious strife in that region, to the benefit of major corporate entities, some owned by HOUSE OF SAUD, and others owned or in cahoots with HOUSE OF BUSH. It this any way to world peace?

Readers: Those unfamiliar with the phrase BANNA NAZI, please Google that and see how much history is revealed about ISLAMO FASCISM.

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Post by Laird » 08-18-2005 06:08 PM

yep, its all true history on this thread.
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Post by mudwoman » 08-18-2005 06:50 PM

Squareball2 wrote: Firstly, why is this a smoking gun? The title of the story is misleading. This isn't about sharing information this is about PROTECTING the patsies...ermm terrorists...
WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - A military intelligence team repeatedly contacted the F.B.I. in 2000 to warn about the existence of an American-based terrorist cell that included the ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, according to a veteran Army intelligence officer who said he had now decided to risk his career by discussing the information publicly...
Thank you for the post SQ2 and good to see you! :D

My friends, let there be no doubt that Bill Clinton is a member of the Bush Crime Family, or the globalist cabal if you prefer.

Was Clinton earning his bones? There is a great deal of evidence that he was. I won't go into all of it here, because there are volumes, but it started when he was governor, popped up again during his campaign (think Ronny Ray Rector), and continued as he left the presidency (think Mark Rich).

Which brings me back to the topic at hand - or thereabouts. ;)

Well, duh! 9/11 was a globalist set up.


PS: Rom, I love you, you know I do. I just can't help it. I'm out here in the wilderness, the wild, naked Wingnut that I am, speaking truth as I see it. It just looks like I am howling mindlessly at the moon. :D

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Post by calamity jane » 08-19-2005 01:41 AM

military-industrial complex apparatus = fascism

imho

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Post by Cherry Kelly » 08-19-2005 01:04 PM

Just a brief notation -- URL on Osama
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/binladen1.html
unclassified CIA documents -- worthy read - three pages (note print is ehh, but you can read it-- takes time to do so)
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There is another article out about who knew what - and when - as well as several talk show points about past administration and 911 and knowledge and lack of sharing information between alphabet groups... google works!

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Post by Ninerism » 08-19-2005 02:39 PM

calamity jane wrote: military-industrial complex apparatus = fascism

imho


CalamityJane, EXACTAMO!

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Post by Ninerism » 08-19-2005 02:44 PM

mudwoman wrote: Thank you for the post SQ2 and good to see you! :D

My friends, let there be no doubt that Bill Clinton is a member of the Bush Crime Family, or the globalist cabal if you prefer.

Was Clinton earning his bones? There is a great deal of evidence that he was. I won't go into all of it here, because there are volumes, but it started when he was governor, popped up again during his campaign (think Ronny Ray Rector), and continued as he left the presidency (think Mark Rich).

Which brings me back to the topic at hand - or thereabouts. ;)

Well, duh! 9/11 was a globalist set up.


PS: Rom, I love you, you know I do. I just can't help it. I'm out here in the wilderness, the wild, naked Wingnut that I am, speaking truth as I see it. It just looks like I am howling mindlessly at the moon. :D


Mudwoman, I'm glad you emphasized the point once again about the Clintons, as this is so important for Cherry Kelly et al to appreciate that we, too, as progressives, see how we must endure the controlled oppositions time and again. So, this is NOT just an indictment of the Bush-co's, it's also related to the Clinton-esque former presidenteze who contributed to these issues, and he is a close friend and ally of Bush-co, too, me thinks. Remember Mena, well, there's a big skeleton in the Clintonesque's closet, too!

Oh, yes, it's always good to SEE SB-2, whereever he art.

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Post by Cherry Kelly » 08-20-2005 11:44 AM

Niner -- yes its unfortunate that politicians all seem to be "in bed" with each other on so many aspects. Now as for the warnings being passed along - not so sure that they truly were in the method, manner that we would have desired them to be. As we are now reading the failures of information taken seriously - in past and early current administration.

Hindsight - we've discussed that before...

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