Just saw this on Olbermann.
Today at a townhall meeting, an audience member praised Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for his vow to “follow bin Laden to the gates of hell.” After a long question about veterans’ care, the questioner said she believed we needed to reinstate the draft, to which McCain seemed to readily agree:
QUESTIONER: If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
[Appaluse]
MCCAIN: Ma’am, let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mcc ... ort-draft/
McCain On Reinstituting A Military Draft: ‘I Don’t Disagree’
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THAT would require ... by law .... an act of Congress.
Then again the Congresscritters so far have shown themselves to have little or no spines. So... could happen.
Just in case, might be a good idea to get on their backs now about it, and not wait until after the election.
Think about it, people; McCain could end up being the next President, regardless of how the vote goes. Hasn't it happened twice before?
Then again the Congresscritters so far have shown themselves to have little or no spines. So... could happen.
Just in case, might be a good idea to get on their backs now about it, and not wait until after the election.
Think about it, people; McCain could end up being the next President, regardless of how the vote goes. Hasn't it happened twice before?
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quick query, maybe racehorse can help (i'll be looking for it online, regardless):
doesn't there have to be a formal declaration of war for a draft to be put into effect? that would open up a whole new can of worms, as then, to end it, we would have to have somebody to actually be at war against that could sign a treaty/surrender.
doesn't there have to be a formal declaration of war for a draft to be put into effect? that would open up a whole new can of worms, as then, to end it, we would have to have somebody to actually be at war against that could sign a treaty/surrender.
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lazarus long wrote: quick query, maybe racehorse can help (i'll be looking for it online, regardless):
doesn't there have to be a formal declaration of war for a draft to be put into effect? that would open up a whole new can of worms, as then, to end it, we would have to have somebody to actually be at war against that could sign a treaty/surrender.
We had the draft during the Viet Nam war and that was not a declared war. We still register young men through the Selective Service, so I believe all they would have to do is an act of conscription.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_drft.html
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I think if we try to institute a draft, we'd be bringing our troops home a lot sooner. Remember the days when people BURNED their draft cards? Well, now Canada won't let them in... There would be SUCH an outcry, people would have to hear it and see it, all the way to Capitol Hill.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HB3
Yeah, let's draft the current crop of 18 year olds into the military. Oh, that would be good for a laugh.... [/QUOTE!
That will separate the wheat from the chaff er shaff er not so good wheat!:eek:
Yeah, let's draft the current crop of 18 year olds into the military. Oh, that would be good for a laugh.... [/QUOTE!
That will separate the wheat from the chaff er shaff er not so good wheat!:eek:
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Senator McCain as this article correctly states has consistently stated that he opposes a revival of a military draft. Richard Nixon's realized dream of ending the draft will NEVER be undone by a Republican President. The GOP platform unlike the Democratic party platform has consistently since the time of President Nixon expressed strong opposition to reviving the draft and support for the all volunteer military. It will again in the platform which will be adopted at our Convention in the next two weeks.
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Does McCain Favor a Draft? Nope.
20 Aug 2008 09:01 pm
Liberals are having a conniption over Sen. John McCain's purported endorsement of a draft today.
In Las Crucas, New Mexico, a woman asked McCain about the "horrible conditions" that veterans often see when return from combat. Here's the last few sentences:
My son is an officer in the Air Force, I'm a vet., and I was raised in a military family. And I think it's a sorry state of affairs. When we have illegal aliens; having a medic-aid card that can access specialists, top physicians, the best of medical, and our vets can't even get to a doctor. And these are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don't re-enact the draft, I don't think we'll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of Hell.
His critics focus on the first sentence:
SEN JOHN MCCAIN: Ma'am let me say that I don't disagree with anything you have said, and thank you.
So he agrees that unless there's a draft, the war on terror can't be won?
Not exactly. I've heard McCain tell numerous audiences that he opposes a new draft. As the context makes clear, McCain is focusing on the meat of the question and not the woman's exclamation at the end. Unless you think McCain privately favors the draft and let the cat out of the bag, you're going to have reach to conclude that he's radically changed his mind here.
McCain: I'm grateful for all of our veterans. I carry with me quite often a quote from General George Washington in 1789. He said, "The willingness with which young Americans will serve their country in future wars is directly related to the treatment of those who have previously served and sacrificed in conflict." He was right in 1789 and he's right today.
All too often our veterans do not receive the care that they have earned, and the scandal of Walter Reed is a blot on the honor of the United States of America and we can never let it happen again.
Now here's what.. I'll make this as short as possible, our veterans have earned our highest priority. And yet we know that there is also routine health care needs that veterans have that in my view, they should not have to go to the VA to receive. OK?
We have tragically and unfortunately in this war a dramatic...well, we're going to have a lot of PTSD. We also have severe combat injuries. Because thank God, we're able to get the wounded from the battle field to medical treatment more quickly than any time in history. That puts an increased burden on our medical, military medical care, as well as our VA.
So, you mentioned Albuquerque VA I believe. I could take you to Albuquerque VA or the Phoenix VA quite often and the waiting room is crowded, the veterans are standing in line to stand in line to get an appointment to get an appointment. That's not the fault of the people that work there. The people that work there are some of the finest in the World. It's just that they're overloaded.
So we have to focus our attention, expand our capability to treat PTSD, combat related injuries, brain injuries, etc. that we're best at. And for a veteran with a routine health care need, why shouldn't we give that veteran a card and take it to the health care provider; or the doctor of their choice and get the routine health care that they need.
That's what...and that way we could utilize the VA and the medical, the military medical, system to it's greatest affect. And also relieve this burden. I don't ever again want to have a veteran stand in line to stand in line to get an appointment to get an appointment. That's not...that's just not acceptable in America. And again, I do praise the people that work there. They're some of the most dedicated people I've ever known in my life. The problem is that there's just not enough of them.
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Marc Ambinder
Does McCain Favor a Draft? Nope.
20 Aug 2008 09:01 pm
Liberals are having a conniption over Sen. John McCain's purported endorsement of a draft today.
In Las Crucas, New Mexico, a woman asked McCain about the "horrible conditions" that veterans often see when return from combat. Here's the last few sentences:
My son is an officer in the Air Force, I'm a vet., and I was raised in a military family. And I think it's a sorry state of affairs. When we have illegal aliens; having a medic-aid card that can access specialists, top physicians, the best of medical, and our vets can't even get to a doctor. And these are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don't re-enact the draft, I don't think we'll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of Hell.
His critics focus on the first sentence:
SEN JOHN MCCAIN: Ma'am let me say that I don't disagree with anything you have said, and thank you.
So he agrees that unless there's a draft, the war on terror can't be won?
Not exactly. I've heard McCain tell numerous audiences that he opposes a new draft. As the context makes clear, McCain is focusing on the meat of the question and not the woman's exclamation at the end. Unless you think McCain privately favors the draft and let the cat out of the bag, you're going to have reach to conclude that he's radically changed his mind here.
McCain: I'm grateful for all of our veterans. I carry with me quite often a quote from General George Washington in 1789. He said, "The willingness with which young Americans will serve their country in future wars is directly related to the treatment of those who have previously served and sacrificed in conflict." He was right in 1789 and he's right today.
All too often our veterans do not receive the care that they have earned, and the scandal of Walter Reed is a blot on the honor of the United States of America and we can never let it happen again.
Now here's what.. I'll make this as short as possible, our veterans have earned our highest priority. And yet we know that there is also routine health care needs that veterans have that in my view, they should not have to go to the VA to receive. OK?
We have tragically and unfortunately in this war a dramatic...well, we're going to have a lot of PTSD. We also have severe combat injuries. Because thank God, we're able to get the wounded from the battle field to medical treatment more quickly than any time in history. That puts an increased burden on our medical, military medical care, as well as our VA.
So, you mentioned Albuquerque VA I believe. I could take you to Albuquerque VA or the Phoenix VA quite often and the waiting room is crowded, the veterans are standing in line to stand in line to get an appointment to get an appointment. That's not the fault of the people that work there. The people that work there are some of the finest in the World. It's just that they're overloaded.
So we have to focus our attention, expand our capability to treat PTSD, combat related injuries, brain injuries, etc. that we're best at. And for a veteran with a routine health care need, why shouldn't we give that veteran a card and take it to the health care provider; or the doctor of their choice and get the routine health care that they need.
That's what...and that way we could utilize the VA and the medical, the military medical, system to it's greatest affect. And also relieve this burden. I don't ever again want to have a veteran stand in line to stand in line to get an appointment to get an appointment. That's not...that's just not acceptable in America. And again, I do praise the people that work there. They're some of the most dedicated people I've ever known in my life. The problem is that there's just not enough of them.
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racehorse wrote: The GOP platform unlike the Democratic party platform has consistently since the time of President Nixon expressed strong opposition to reviving the draft...
Your statement is true regarding the "draft".
But republicans had no problem dusting off a less obvious method of coercion... "stop loss". Drafts & stop loss programs are the tools of psychopaths - plain and simple.
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Psychic -- perhaps its not the veterans expansion he's voting against - but all the riders on the bills that have nothing to DO with veterans at all.
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Veterans should get care at any hospital, medical care facility and not just be "confined" to getting care at a VA hospital. Therefore - I would say give the veteran a card to go anywhere to get their medical care needs filled. Why should a vet have to travel hundreds of miles from his/her home to get the same medical care he/she can get at a hospital or clinic 20 miles from their home?
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Veterans should get care at any hospital, medical care facility and not just be "confined" to getting care at a VA hospital. Therefore - I would say give the veteran a card to go anywhere to get their medical care needs filled. Why should a vet have to travel hundreds of miles from his/her home to get the same medical care he/she can get at a hospital or clinic 20 miles from their home?
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Cherry Kelly wrote: Psychic -- perhaps its not the veterans expansion he's voting against - but all the riders on the bills that have nothing to DO with veterans at all.
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Veterans should get care at any hospital, medical care facility and not just be "confined" to getting care at a VA hospital. Therefore - I would say give the veteran a card to go anywhere to get their medical care needs filled. Why should a vet have to travel hundreds of miles from his/her home to get the same medical care he/she can get at a hospital or clinic 20 miles from their home?
Perhaps you forgot this thread, CK?
McCain Opposes the 21st Century GI Bill Because It Is Too Generous. McCain did not vote on the GI Bill that will provide better educational opportunities to veterans of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, paying full tuition at in-state schools and living expenses for those who have served at least three years since the 9/11 attacks. McCain said he opposes the bill because he thinks the generous benefits would “encourage more people to leave the military.” (S.Amdt. 4803 to H.R. 2642, Vote 137, 5/22/08; Chattanooga Times Free Press, 6/2/08; Boston Globe, 5/23/08; ABCNews.com, 5/26/08) hmm hmmm
McCain Voted Against Increased Funding for Veterans’ Health Care. Although McCain told voters at a campaign rally that improving veterans’ health care was his top domestic priority, he voted against increasing funding for veterans’ health care in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. (Greenville News, 12/12/2007; S.Amdt. 2745 to S.C.R. 95, Vote 40, 3/10/04; Senate S.C.R. 18, Vote 55, 3/16/05; S.Amdt. 3007 to S.C.R. 83, Vote 41, 3/14/06; H.R. 1591, Vote 126, 3/29/07)
Opposed an Assured Funding Stream for Veterans’ Health Care. McCain opposed providing an assured funding stream for veterans’ health care, taking into account annual changes in veterans’ population and inflation. (S.Amdt. 3141 to S.C.R. 83, Vote 63, 3/16/06)
McCain Voted Against Adding More Than $400 Million for Veterans’ Care. McCain was one of 13 Republicans to vote against providing an additional $430 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs for outpatient care and treatment for veterans. (S.Amdt. 3642 to H.R. 4939, Vote 98, 4/26/06)
Voted Against Establishing a $1 Billion Trust Fund for Military Health Facilities. McCain voted against establishing a $1 billion trust fund to improve military health facilities by refusing to repeal tax cuts for those making more than $1 million a year. (S.Amdt. 2735 to S.Amdt. 2707 to H.R. 4297, Vote 7, 2/2/06)
McCain Opposed $500 Million for Counseling Services for Veterans with Mental Disorders. McCain voted against an amendment to appropriate $500 million annually from 2006-2010 for counseling, mental health and rehabilitation services for veterans diagnosed with mental illness, posttraumatic stress disorder or substance abuse. (S. 2020, S.Amdt. 2634, Vote 343, 11/17/05)
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