Scalise: Those Who Call Fossil Fuels 'Immoral' Should 'Stop Using Them Today'

[Doka]

Ya got that right, Riddick! We have been "Set Up" from the "Get Go"! My question is, then, when I first posted this
Back in 2012, and still is, where is THE MONEY, WHERE IS THE NEW ENERGY? "Green Energy", the "Echo Chamber" works even 7 years later! We are talking "Billions" here, correct me if my math is wrong.

And of course "The Great
Stimulus" Rip-Off of 2009 .

AND my personal favorite, The Democrats where and are, Not Only removing Your Money from you, They Are Legally "REMOVING YOUR MIND". FROM the protections of the "Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, that replaced the "Smith-Mundt Act" of 1948, that protected the Citizens of The US from the "head on approach" of the Propaganda we have today. They MSM can legally lie(and boy! They do it every day 24/7!). It is way too late for the "Minds of Mush" to find their way back to the light.

2012 was a Busy year for the Dems. The Sept. 11 ,2012 Benghazi attack went down. You know the time, when Hitlery and Obami, couldn't find their phones.

It's ALL carefully planned and (the word of the day) "Executed" a word with more than one meaning.


President Obama’s Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures

Ashe Schow / October 18, 2012 / 134 Comments


It is no secret that President Obama’s and green energy supporters’ (from both parties) foray into venture capitalism has not gone well. But the extent of its failure has been largely ignored by the press. Sure, single instances garner attention as they happen, but they ignore past failures in order to make it seem like a rare case.

The truth is that the problem is widespread. The government’s picking winners and losers in the energy market has cost taxpayers billions of dollars, and the rate of failure, cronyism, and corruption at the companies receiving the subsidies is substantial. The fact that some companies are not under financial duress does not make the policy a success. It simply means that our taxpayer dollars subsidized companies that would’ve found the financial support in the private market.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9. EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
27. Vestas ($50 million)
28. LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30. Navistar ($39 million)
31. Satcon ($3 million)*
32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
34. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2012/10/18/ ... -failures/

[Doka]

Ya want something more current?? How about this........They need more of your money, you are not quite destroyed ,yet, the rest of the destruction is coming from the Southern Border.

Did you notice? No help for what we currently have, Natural Gas, Hydro-electric power, Coal, Nuclear power.
We still have Adequate Power.

Not to mention, that currently with wind and solar, there is not enough of it to do much. Plus the impact of "wind/solar" is never mentioned, the cost is still really High and the amount space required is Huge, The US alone has the potentual, to become an ocean to ocean(wall to wall) solar panels and Monster Wind Mills ! Plussss, a dependable "Power Grid" can't be made! A day or 2 of no Sun, No Wind= NO POWER.



It's going to be a very hot summer.......How much you want to bet, the Democrats are going to find a way to impose Power Rationing this year, not because it will be needed, but because they can. Their hatred of human life, will become Clearer and Clearer for those who haven't noticed yet. And Not to be a burden to them, THEY, Have to Have it comfy and convenient.





Over 100 House Democrats Demand Extending Billions Worth of Green Energy Subsidies

Michael Bastasch / @MikeBastasch / April 05, 2019 / 81 Comments

More than 100 House Democrats are demanding legislation to extend billions of dollars worth of green tax subsidies to counteract the Trump administration’s energy agenda and to “prepare” the U.S. for global warming.

Democrats called for extending tax subsidies for green technologies—including wind turbines, solar panels, electric cars, energy efficiency, biofuels, and energy storage—in a bid to counteract the policies of the Trump administration.

Simply put, investments in clean energy will help the U.S. reduce carbon pollution, prepare our communities for the damaging effects of rising sea levels, severe weather and catastrophic wildfires, all the while supporting innovation and job creation positioning the U.S. to lead in a global clean energy economy,” Democratic lawmakers, led by New York Rep. Paul Tonko, wrote in a letter to Massachusetts Rep. Richard Neal, chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means.

One of the letter’s signatories, Democratic Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Doyle, introduced legislation Thursday to extend investment tax credits to energy storage systems. Currently, energy storage only qualifies for tax subsidies when paired with a solar project.

The Entire Story(good read)

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/04/05/ ... subsidies/

[Riddick]

The government’s picking winners and losers in the energy market has cost taxpayers billions of dollars, and the rate of failure, cronyism, and corruption at the companies receiving the subsidies is substantial. The fact that some companies are not under financial duress does not make the policy a success. It simply means that our taxpayer dollars subsidized companies that would’ve found the financial support in the private market.

There ya go. kbot had his example of private investment in wind power by the oil and coal companies. Fancy that! An established industry sees value and purpose in supporting alternatives to its own product - So why NOT let the market decide?

Ah, but that's just it. Free enterprise forces pursuing development of alternative energy sources are woefully inadequate given the direness of the situation. If ever there was a time for central planning and command economy solutions? This is it -

AND it's Universal: Energy, healthcare, education, you name it, we need EVER-BIGGER Government. Fossil fuels are immoral. Capitalism is irredeemable. To save the planet AND for the good of all, elect National... er, Democratic Socialists at ALL levels.

As if turning on a dime and upending the nation's entire socio-economic system based on faulty premises, class war biases and irrational panic is gonna end well. That said, we do need alternatives to oil, gas and coal. Why? It's a supply issue...

[Riddick]

We still have Adequate Power.

In quantity? Definitely - In quality? Assessed in-large, NOT - Oh, the immorality!!

That's gratitude for ya.

Yah, let's just piss on fossil fuels. Forget everything they've provided. And it's not just the energy. If not for petrochemicals and all the associated material products, we'd not have come to realize anything near the standard of living we have today

When GND eco-Nutzis envision a world sans fossil fuels, it's a better world simply BECAUSE of that, suitable and adequate alternatives aside. Planet saving comes first! AND we're promised a socialist utopia alongside & after? WOW Such a deal

Doing nothing's no answer, as fossil fuel use has a built-in drop dead date. That's where prudent pursuit of replacement options comes in - It behooves to have all that's needed to maintain a comfortable living standard BEFORE supplies run out -

Yet that's no answer either as THE WORLD WILL END if we don't ditch all fossil fuel YESTERDAY! So vote Democratic Socialist & eat your algae. You'll be glad you did.

Related Read -
Renewable IS The Answer? Not So Fast

Since just about everything we do and the equipment needed to support it depends upon a source of energy, wouldn’t it be great if someone would invent perpetual motion machines that can generate all we want without consuming any resources or producing pollution?

Okay, some of you are doubtless saying: “Yes, and they already exist. There are wind turbines and solar power systems that can do that if we build enough of them.”

Sorry…but it just isn’t that easy.

FULL STORY

[kbot]

And yet....... even Big Oil disagrees with you. Now, it may be that companies such as Exxon and Shell are looking to infiltrate from the inside, snap up a competitor and shut it down as we've all seen before. And, maybe countries such as China and Saudi (who just recently sold off most of their holdings, btw), or Norway (who's largest fossil fuel company recently invested in alternatives) are scheming on a global scale to shut down alternatives..........

Or, just maybe, they see the handwriting on the wall and are getting in early.......

Look, you don't have to convince me - I'm a very small fish in this mess.

BUT, the largest global players in regards to fossil fuels disagree with you both.

Sorry...........


Oil Major Exxon Reportedly Seeking Wind and Solar Power
August 28, 2018

Exxon Mobil Corp. has been looking to buy renewable energy for delivery in Texas, according to people familiar with the matter.

The largest U.S. oil company sent out a request for proposals with a June 8 deadline, inviting solar or wind power suppliers to pitch contracts that would last 12, 15 or 20 years, according to a document obtained by Bloomberg and people with knowledge who asked not to be named discussing confidential matters. Exxon, based in Irving, Texas, is seeking at least 100 megawatts and would consider proposals for more than 250 megawatts.

“I have never seen an oil and gas company doing a corporate PPA anywhere near that size,” said Kyle Harrison, a New York-based analyst at Bloomberg NEF, referring to the power-purchase agreements used to buy electricity. “If you’re seeing the biggest oil and gas companies going out and making investments in clean energy, it shows that renewables are cost-competitive.

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ar ... power.html

And, let's not forget that, the US is actually lagging behind our competitors in this........

China’s Lead In Wind and Other Renewables

Renewable energy demand and capacity are growing explosively. When looking at numbers for wind energy production, China stands above all other countries. Figures released by the Global Energy Council in late February showed that China has installed far more wind power capacity, both on land and at sea, than any other country. So, why is China such a force when it comes to wind power? Moreover, will it continue to lead the way in the coming years?

China is approaching the end of its 13th Energy Technology Innovation Five-Year Plan. The plan specifically mentions wind energy as a focus point, identifying wind turbines with a megawatt (MW) production capacity of between 8 and 10MW as a key technology. By the end of 2020, China aims to have 210 gigawatts (GW) of grid-connected wind energy capacity. Its capacity at the beginning of 2018 led the world with around 187 GW, compared to 89 GW for the US in second place and 56 GW for Germany in third.

Wind energy isn’t the only renewable where China is the pacesetter. A recent report from the Global Commission on the Geopolitics of Energy Transformation, set up by the International Renewable Energy Agency, pointed to China as the country in the best position to ‘become the world’s renewable energy superpower.’
https://singularityhub.com/2019/04/04/c ... 5w6kuaceky


‘Historic breakthrough’: Norway’s giant oil fund dives into renewables

Experts say even nations that got rich on fossil fuels are seeing the future is green

Norway’s $1tn oil fund, the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund, is to plunge billions of dollars into wind and solar power projects. The decision follows Saudi Arabia’s oil fund selling off its last oil and gas assets.

Other national funds built up from oil profits are also thought to be ramping up their investments in renewables. The moves show that countries that got rich on fossil fuels are diversifying their investments and seeking future profits in the clean energy needed to combat climate change. Analysts say the investments are likely to power faster growth of green energy.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... renewables

Shell New Energies Director on Investing in Clean Energy: ‘It’s About Survival’
Oil major has been on a clean-energy acquisition spree, and “absolutely” intends to become a regional electric utility in the U.S.

Royal Dutch Shell is taking the clean energy transition seriously. So seriously, in fact, that Maarten Wetselaar, director of Shell’s integrated gas and new energies division, believes his company could become the largest power company in the world by the early 2030s amid a global shift to lower-carbon energy resources.

Why is that?

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... #gs.419ak1

[kbot]

British Petroleum is into renewables again.........

Nice analogy in the header......

European utilities contemplating a future in which oil has gone the way of the dinosaurs

Reuters

Apr 5, 2019

LONDON - European oil companies have started to address what they worry may one day be an existential threat to their business — the end of a century of oil demand growth in a low carbon world.

The emergence of the electric vehicle and demand among investors and consumers for cleaner energy to limit climate change has pushed the European side of Big Oil to take baby steps toward refocusing their businesses from oil production and refining to electricity via natural gas and renewables.

Their funding for oil exploration dwarfs any alternatives, but they are buying up power generation and retail utilities to integrate with their long-standing natural gas and emerging renewables ventures.

Relatively small investments in electricity aim to help them ride the energy transition by offering households and businesses cleaner power than coal can provide and giving their petrol stations a green edge with EV charging.

Testing an electrification route also helps meet demands from shareholders that they “future-proof” their businesses. The International Energy Agency predicts regulatory changes to curb carbon emissions will mean demand for electricity will grow much faster than that for oil as Asia’s power-hungry middle class expands. The industry sees oil demand peaking any time from 2020 to 2040.

Diversification is not new to the oil and gas business but has a patchy record at best. Oil majors have bought stakes in coal, household cleaning, pet food, nutrition, shrimp trading, diapers, hotels and steel, with limited success. Critics say power will not deliver the profits the oil and gas companies need to sustain the large dividends their investors are used to.

BP lost billions in its first foray into renewables 20 years ago when it rebranded itself “Beyond Petroleum.” It closed its solar manufacturing division in 2011 and tried to get rid of its wind farms but says it now has a more successful model.

“Most of the things we do today are linked to our core capabilities,” said Dev Sanyal, head of BP’s alternative energy division. “If you can start combining molecules and electrons in an integrated offer, you start creating something of greater interest.”

Profit is the first challenge when joining the dots between renewables, gas-fired plants and utilities facing growing competition in markets that are fragmenting fast. None of the companies break down their results from renewables or power.

BP returned to solar in 2017 with a $200 million investment in U.K. solar generator Lightsource and dipped a toe into U.K. electricity retail the same year by buying a 25 percent stake in Pure Planet, a small challenger brand supplying some 100,000 customers with renewable electricity.

Sanyal said BP plans to expand its alternative energy capacity — the biggest among the majors, according to CDP, a climate-focused research provider that works with major institutional investors. Gazprom’s large hydropower interests put it in second place ahead of Total and then Shell, CDP calculations show.

On retail, the French and Italians are ahead.

French giant Total’s purchase of Direct Energie last year gave it a portfolio of gas-fired and renewable energy power plants and a platform to challenge state-controlled utility EDF.

It is targeting 7 million customers in France and Belgium by 2022 and said in a recent investor presentation it aims to make low carbon electricity 15 to 20 percent of its total offering by 2040.

Eni says it is now Italy’s second-largest electricity producer, with six power plants, large electricity trading business and 2 million customers.

Shell says it wants to become the biggest electricity provider and over the past year has made a number of investments including a Brazilian gas-fired power plant and a U.K. utility.

Last week it renamed that utility Shell Energy and switched all 710,000 customers to 100 percent renewable electricity, offering them discounts on petrol and electric car charging in its petrol stations.

Mark Gainsborough, head of the Anglo-Dutch company’s new energy division, said it aims to grow its retail customer base in Britain.

Shell looked into acquiring the retail division of rival SSE in recent months but discussions made little progress due to concerns over the government’s decision to cap most domestic energy prices, industry sources said, an example of the risks facing power markets around the world. Both Shell and SSE declined to comment.

In a sign of the growing competition among the majors for power assets, Total is considering a rival bid to Shell for Dutch energy company Eneco, according to sources close to the matter. Total declined to comment.

Eneco is valued at around €3 billion and has 2.2 million customers. Shell’s Gainsborough said it could provide a template for a power business model.

Former BP CEO John Browne, who drove the London-based company’s first push into renewables, said much lower production costs for wind and solar projects and a greater understanding about the future growth of power markets have changed the picture dramatically since then.

“The question is whether you have the skills, the people and the determination to make this work and are you happy that in reality the returns you make are better than the returns you make in your other business,” Browne said.

Returns on solar and wind projects are typically around 5 to 10 percent, according to climate research provider CDP, half of those from many oil and gas projects.

So far the oil majors have committed a small fraction of their annual investment to low-carbon technologies as they balance shareholder demands for returns and innovation.

“If at the end of the day it doesn’t work, these companies have deep pockets and would be able to spin off power divisions,” said Munir Hassan, head of clean energy at the law firm CMS in the U.K.

The differential in returns from power versus oil and gas has not changed much, he said, but there is a new impetus because perceptions among shareholders and their children have changed.

“Some of the oil companies will succeed,” Hassan said. “But I wonder whether they will find it more painful than they expected.”
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/ ... KlRsaR7nIU

[kbot]

Setting-up the various pieces......

Repsol Invests in Storage Startup Ampere Amid Shift to Cleaner Energy

The Spanish oil company’s backing of Ampere follows Shell’s recent acquisition of German battery company sonnen.
March 27, 2019

Spain’s largest oil and gas company, Repsol, has invested in Spanish battery startup Ampere Energy, in a move to emulate industry peers taking positions in clean energy technologies.

Madrid-based Repsol this month put an unspecified amount into Ampere, a residential energy storage player from Valencia with a presence in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Benelux and the U.K.

The deal gives Repsol a seat on Ampere’s board and provides Ampere with access to Repsol’s Technology Lab research and development center. Ampere Energy CEO Ignacio Osorio said Repsol's backing would help the company “undertake ambitious growth plans."

Ampere has developed a virtual power plant technology called Amperia that it said could be used to tie together distributed energy storage assets. It is unclear if this aggregation capability extends to third-party batteries or is limited to Ampere’s own battery systems, which the company says use artificial intelligence to adapt to user requirements.

The investment comes as Repsol undergoes a major corporate repositioning. In common with other European oil and gas majors, the Spanish giant is keen to reinvent itself as a diversified energy company.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... #gs.41cpp2

[kbot]

More fossil fuel investment in alternatives......

A Look at Chevron’s Dip Into Clean Energy Investing

Chevron launched its Future Energy Fund last year to invest in breakthrough technologies, but it still lags behind other oil majors on moving into cleantech.
January 30, 2019

Oil and gas majors are starting to seriously consider — or, at least, consider — the threat the energy transition presents to their core business.

While no major has made investments in clean energy that come close to rivaling the money it spends on oil and gas, companies like Equinor, Total and Royal Dutch Shell have now collectively sunk billions into the industry. According to Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF), oil majors doubled their acquisitions, project investments and venture capital stakes in clean energy between 2015 and 2016.

In 2017 and 2018, Shell acquired e-mobility company NewMotion, Total bought energy efficiency company GreenFlex, and British Petroleum invested in EV charging company Freewire — and that’s just a sampling.

But a great deal of that investment has been clustered in Europe. As Meredith Annex, team lead for BNEF’s heat decarbonization research, noted, “the U.S. players have lagged behind their European counterparts in terms of leadership within clean energy and electricity strategies.”

That’s why it was noteworthy when Chevron’s emerging technology venture capital arm invested in EV charging company ChargePoint in November and battery storage company Natron Energy in January. Chevron Technology Ventures launched its Future Energy Fund with $100 million in June 2018 (Technology Ventures was founded in 1999). The fund has also invested in the firm Carbon Engineering, which works on carbon capture.

“These are strategic bets, if you will, and they’re really more about getting access and looking under the hood,” said Technology Ventures President Barbara Burger. “They will inform future action from Chevron, either the use of the technology or where we might want to go big.”

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... #gs.41cxk3

[kbot]

Maybe Scalise is just plain wrong, misinformed.......

Global Renewable Energy Investment on the Rise

Global investment in renewable energy varies from year to year, but is generally on an upward trend.
January 01, 2019

According to Bloomberg New Energy Finance, global markets saw 3 percent growth in clean energy investment, to more than $333.5 billion, in 2017. This compares to a total of $279.8 billion from the Renewable Energy Policy Network of the 21st Century (REN21).

REN21 says overall investment grew modestly in 2017, up from $274 billion in 2016. Developing and emerging economies grew their investments by 20 percent to $177 billion. Investment in developed countries fell by 19 percent, amounting to $103 billion.

Total global investment figures in 2018 will likely be on par with 2017 totals.

Clean energy generation, meanwhile, reached an all-time high in response to falling costs, outpacing fossil energy generation. The lower investment figures are a result of the dropping costs of project development.

These trends were set to continue as investors increasingly adopt longer-term investment time horizons rather than focusing on short-term returns.

Some of the world’s largest pools of capital, including institutional investors managing more than $17 trillion in assets, now see climate change as an investment priority.

In the U.S., financial institutions say they could double their planned investments in renewable energy, with the potential to mobilize $1 trillion in cumulative private capital by 2030.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... #gs.41d0w5

$1 TRILLION in private capital investment? Ouch........

[Riddick]

Look, you don't have to convince me - I'm a very small fish in this mess.

BUT, the largest global players in regards to fossil fuels disagree with you both.

Sorry...........

Hold yer horses, kbot!! I don't dispute a future of fossil fuel alternatives, and Big Oil's time is limited. But I differ with many power players having skin in this global resource juggling game on the whys and wherefores, hows, whats, whens of it all.

Presently reliance on renewables as replacements is, to put it mildly, questionable as Forbes cites. Of course, there's proposals far more questionable than others!!--

where is THE MONEY, WHERE IS THE NEW ENERGY? "Green Energy", the "Echo Chamber" works even 7 years later! We are talking "Billions" here, correct me if my math is wrong.

Hey y'wanna talk eye popping figures, how about 100 TRILLION for the whole GND

Ah, but no worries. We'll tax the rich to death. If that's not enough we'll just pull money out of our assests. If that doesn't work, we'll tax foreigners living abroad

Any case time is short. Get real & quitcher bitchin' deniers & skeptics. NOT marshaling a collective committed effort to save the planet is what we can't afford

And of course "The Great
Stimulus" Rip-Off of 2009 .

DYK Wikipedia describes the GND as 'a proposed stimulus program that aims to address climate change and economic inequality'? Really, who writes this sh!t?

Stimulus. Right. Our economy's expanding, ain't it? What for we need a stimulus? I guess growth's not good unless and until it's completely and utterly green AND equal. Also selling it as a stimulus helps mask the all encompassing intent of it all

Look close. What's that? New paint? A buyer's remorse invite - the real deal here is more than just a deeper shade of green vehicle, it's a refurb totalitarian Trojan horse.

[Doka]

Oil has been on it's way out for a long time. If you will take a look at the Middle East Oil producers (OPEC), and notice the production levels have dropped most considerably, and have some pretty massive Reserves, that they can't sell . For the 1st time the United States has become free of importing oil . From certain articles that I have come across, the scramble to diversify, has been going on for a long time now. It may shock you, but the oil industry has been well aware of a coming change. With much hated oil companies, I am really surprised, that electric cars, haven't been rolling out by the millions. But I find most "Greenies" are just mostly mouth. We Still want something that we can back out of the garage, go 60mph, to work and back in style and comfort.
Oil products make our clothing, what we store our food and gas in, eat off of, sit on, what our phones and massive TVs are encased in, the shoes we wear. I could go on and on.

So you get rid of all fossil fuels, you still need to have something to generate electricity, so you can watch that TV, use that phone, see at night in your house. And plug in your appliances/ car. I suppose the government could make it manditory that every body have a wind machine/solar panels in their yard, no yard, too bad. Maybe your neighbor will let you "plug in" how many extension cords?

It is my belief that we have a new energy source, waiting "In the wings" At the same time, the worlds population is doing rather strange things . Seem's like we would need some " people friendly" groups to allow us to have such a "New Energy", instead of the latest trend, the one's that just as soon ensalve us.


OPEC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC

All oil is not equal
A Detailed Guide on the Many Different Types of Crude Oil

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/A ... e-Oil.html

[Riddick]

Maybe Scalise is just plain wrong, misinformed.......

Maybe but give time for moral public schooling on CC only the likes of AOC, 2020 Dems & mess media can provide. Exposed to freakout ich, lotsa big fishies'll fall in line - Fear mongering and loathing 25/8 and everywhere! They'd rather switch than fight

Mess information, passed through a strict spectrum screen, set to fill gills: reject sin, follow the One True Way, BE a GND Believer! Go green. Go socialist. Eat coral polyps. Or is that colon? Ah, whatever.

most "Greenies" are just mostly mouth.

What are you saying?? The preaching and the practicing don't line up with each other OR the indoctrination? Being Green's NOT exactly what it says on the tin? So what ELSE in eco-nutzist theology fails smell testing: Apocalyptic CC? Glory be!

Well, there's another fine mess they've gotten us into. Who let the dogma out??

[Doka]

The race for "Utopia" is such laughable, Ideal, Truly! If only the World would change! Better Rules. Force everyone to be the same, dam- it fit in the Box I told you to! The "Suckers" have been trained in the Art of dissatisfaction, hate, dissociation, corruption, paranoia, greed, fear, humorless , and on and on and on. All demanding "Utopia"
There is ONE BIG PROBLEM, they tend to BELIEVE that they have " Utopian" qualities, to be there! Everywhere they go....they will not find any Joy, because that's NOT , in the training books, Every where they go they HAVE to take THEMSELVES with them! You want the World to be a better place, start with yourself, be a better person. Let the sunlight of the spirit in. Not every thing or every body is out to get you, no matter what "labels" you have adhered yourself to! If ANY of us where "Special" Humans WE WOULD NOT BE HERE.!

As far as a new energy, it will come to us, not on our time schedule and it may well be from a big oil company, and "Oh! MY god! They may make money on it! SO? My Crystal Ball, is Broken, my desire to choose who has a right to live or not ,was never there, from what I've observed, humans that join the "tribe" think they are making the decisions. FOOLS. They do have the power to destroy, congrats!(Just like their "teachers") You think, you deserve good things, hows your life going.....? The one thing that bothers me is the "Noise" level , squeeky wheels are so very loud. Not necessarily, informed nor right, but Loud. And currently in the limelight.

Anyway, to those of us, fighting the current "Assimilation" process, More good stuff to us! Because we can still recognise it and enjoy what comes our way. By Simply saying , Yes Please and Thank You! Every thing is connected. And meaningfull to those who can remain" Individuals"

Always Good to Know about ,What Wants to Own You

Borg history

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Borg_history

[Doka]

The whole primis of the article 1st posted, is that those calling for everyone else to stop using, what they, themselves , Will Not Stop using. That is called "Hypocrisy" not by any other name.

Unless of course you are training Children. Then in most cases, Children will break, from the parent, and develope, their own path, good, bad, or indifferent. But theirs. By it's nature parenting is "Hypocritical".


Scalise: Those Who Call Fossil Fuels 'Immoral' Should 'Stop Using Them Today!"

WASHINGTON -- House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) called on lawmakers and activists who argue that fossil fuels are "immoral" to "stop using them today."

Kbot quote:
Maybe Scalise is just plain wrong, misinformed.......

OK you like "Hypocrits" and will waltz into the weeds, protecting, serving, putting lipstick on them. Posting pages and pages of " in defence" of them. I do understand that is just your nature. Never look at anything head on, Don't answer the direct question, never look anyone in the eye. You are a great leader of your "Cause" and there so many of you out there. I just hope your human gods, really understand, just how loyal you are to them.

[kbot]

Nothing's going to happen overnight. Took millennia to get from walking to planes trains and automobiles.

I for one wold love to use public transport, but, as with just about everything that is semi-government, what we have around here sucks. What there is where I live runs sporadically enough to make it impossible for work. We had public transport from SE Mass to Boston, but that went away in the 50s, and now we have a traffic nightmare with most cars holding one person all going to the same place. Now, over sixty years later they're trying to get trains back.

Don't know what the answer is.

I (think) I know what AOC is trying to say concerning the New Green Deal and FDR - what he did to mobilize the country in the 30s and 40s is unmatched since with many worthwhile projects resulting in facilities still in use.

There may very well be "better" ways to get this done, but I'm not going to rely on the government or the corporations to get it done either.