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Post by Dale O Sea » 03-07-2013 10:23 AM

That Paul clan is a feisty bunch, eh? ;)Image

Wanna know what's worse than Holder and Obama's actions here? That would be our legislator's and media's inaction in reporting and pressuring for answers to this simple question on droning Americans. Inexcusable!

I'm reading reports of some republicans helping Paul filibuster - fine..but why isn't every congress-person wanting this very simple question answered? Didn't they take the same oath to uphold and defend the Constitution?

Why isn't the media pushing for this answer, instead of saying things like Rand Paul did this out of his fear and distrust of govt, as I heard NPR report 5 mins ago. Of course he did, but they are spinning it that it is improper to mistrust govt - unpatriotic -without using that exact wording. Mistrust in govt is one of the strongest legs holding up the Constitution, as in Checks & Balances. Who the f___ would trust our govt and why? What do they do that instills trust? They lie to get elected, they lawyer-ese the laws beyond comprehension, they serve the highest bidder or toe their party's line first, defend the Constitution second, if at all.

And sadder yet is the fact that we voters know this and still pull the handle again and again on these guys because we fear that other guy so much because a billionaire's PAC ads said he's worshiping satan and marinating babies..or whatever.

If not for Rand Paul's actions here the media would still be skirting this issue and keeping us updated on Jessica Simpson's baby's gender or Snooki's weight loss. The president droning US citizens without due process should have been front-page, headline news every day since the incidents in Yemen..but most never knew this was the case. All we heard from the msm was that we droned another scary terrorist from our president's growing kill list in a country that didn't invite us..which a decade or two ago would have been a shocker on its own.

We are now a nation of presidential kill lists, due process is no longer the rule of law and we can't find work. Def not Jefferson's vision of America when he and others forged our Constitution and started us down the road we are on..
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Re: Re: Rand Paul Filibustering Obama's Drone strike agenda

Post by Dale O Sea » 03-07-2013 10:28 AM

SquidInk wrote: Image credit: http://rwpike.blogspot.com/
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Nice stuff! Cruella Obama? I did a similar treatment to Spike Mike here - not 1% as nicely done as these - where I tried to reshape his photo into the biggrin smiley :D we use here..

He wasn't pleased. :|
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Post by SquidInk » 03-07-2013 10:50 AM

Dale O Sea wrote: I'm reading reports of some republicans helping Paul filibuster - fine..but why isn't every congress-person wanting this very simple question answered? Didn't they take the same oath to uphold and defend the Constitution?
Probably because most of them represent 'districts' where drones get built or based, & nonsensical $400 billion dollar airborn boodgoggles are developed [1] . In other words, welfare. The 'military/defense' sector now comprises the single largest welfare jobs program *slash* redistribution spigot the world has ever known. 'Drone' even rhymes with 'Obama phone', proving my argument is valid.

[1] - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-2 ... tates.html
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Post by SquidInk » 03-15-2013 01:00 PM

http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryRev ... art005.pdf
Some of us are not only dehumanizing others as “evil terrorists” in order to justify our use of these weapons, but all Americans are being dehumanized by drones. The face that America shows her enemies, foreign populations, and coalition allies in those countries the U.S. patrols exclusively with armed drones is a wholly inhuman face. Our enemy hides from, and occasionally fires at, machines. Our enemy, who is at war with America, is at war with machines. America—home to a proud, vibrant people—has effectively become inhuman.

Such willful self-dehumanization is tantamount to a kind of slow moral suicide, motivating our enemies to fight and prolonging our current wars. It is troubling just how financially, politically, and militarily committed our nation is to a course of action that encourages the very worst of human impulses—our species’ seemingly limitless capacity to dehumanize other members of our same species.
  • What do we want to be as a nation? A country with a permanent kill list? A country where people go to the office, launch a few kill shots and get home in time for dinner? A country that instructs workers in high-tech operations centers to kill human beings on the far side of the planet because some government agency determined that those individuals are terrorists? There is a “Brave New World” grotesqueness to this posture that should concern all Americans. - Kurt Volker
Lieutenant Colonel Douglas A. Pryer is a military intelligence officer who has served in various command and staff positions in Iraq, Kosovo, Germany, the United Kingdom, the United States, and, most recently, Afghanistan. He is the author of The Fight for the High Ground: the U.S. Army and Interrogation During Operation Iraqi Freedom, May 2003-2004, and is the winner of numerous military writing awards.


Lt. Col. Douglas Pryer is clearly a filthy Obama lovin' pinko. Here is a sample of his anti-American degenerate writings, from his own (winning) entry in the MacArthur Military Leadership Writing Competition.
The summer of 2003 was a hot, frustrating time for coalition forces in Iraq. In Baghdad, soldiers experienced temperatures over 100*F for 91 consecutive days.[3]

Far worse, contrary to the expectations of most soldiers and their leaders, there was not only an active Iraqi insurgency but an insurgency that was growing rapidly in size and lethality across the country. In July, coalition forces experienced twice the number of attacks they had experienced in June.[4] And, in August, they witnessed the rise of the "vehicleborne explosive device", to include a suicide car bombing on 11 August 2003 in Baghdad that killed 11 people and closed the Jordanian Embassy. Amidst Iraq's summer heat and many bombs, the hope of many U.S. soldiers for returning home by Christmas had evaporated.

It was in this context that a Military Intelligence (MI) captain working in the CJ2X section of Combined Joint Task Force-7 (CJTF-7) sent a 14 August 2003 email to the Human Intelligence (HUMINT) section leaders of CJTF-7's major subordinate commands.[5] In the opening salvo of what would become a battle for the soul of CJTF-7's HUMINT community, this captain requested a "wish list" from subordinates of interrogation techniques they "felt would be effective."[6] He stated that "the gloves are coming off...regarding these detainees," and he said that the Deputy CJ2 "has made it clear that we want these individuals broken."[7]He concluded that the "casualties are mounting and we need to start gathering info to help protect our fellow soldiers from any further attacks."[8]

This email evoked strongly worded, antithetical responses from the two ideologies (or "camps") of CJTF-7's subordinate HUMINT sections. One camp (to which the CJ2X captain also clearly belonged) included Chief Warrant Officer 3 (CW3) Lewis Welshofer, Jr., of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and an unidentified HUMINT leader of the 4th Infantry Division.[9] The other camp was represented by Major (MAJ) Nathan Hoepner, the operations officer of the 501st Military Intelligence (MI) Battalion, Task Force 1st Armored Division. The units of all three of these officers operated in the "Sunni Triangle," the most dangerous part of Iraq during Operation IRAQI FREEDOM I (OIF I).


In his reply to the CJ2X captain's email, CW3 Welshofer wrote that "a baseline interrogation technique" should include "open handed facial slaps from a distance of no more than about two feet and back handed blows to the midsection from a distance of about 18 inches."[10] He also added: "Close confinement quarters, sleep deprivation, white noise, and a litnany [sic] of harsher fear-up approaches...fear of dogs and snakes appear to work nicely. I firmly agree that the gloves need to come off."[11] The unidentified 4th Infantry Division HUMINT leader submitted a "wish list" that included some of the same techniques but also added "Stimulus Deprivation," "Pressure Point Manipulation," "Close-Fist
Strikes," "Muscle Fatigue Inducement," and "Low Voltage Electrocution."[12]

In his returning salvo, MAJ Hoepner spoke from a higher vantage point:
  • As for ‘the gloves need to come off' ...we need to take a deep breath and remember who we are...Those gloves are...based on clearly established standards of international law to which we are signatories and in part the originators...something we cannot just put aside when we find it inconvenient...We have taken casualties in every war we have ever fought--that is part of the very nature of war. We also inflict casualties, generally many more than we take. That in no way justifies letting go of our standards. We have NEVER considered our enemies justified in doing such things to us. Casualties are part of war--if you cannot take casualties then you cannot engage in war. Period. BOTTOM LINE: We are American soldiers, heirs of a long tradition of staying on the high ground. We need to stay there.[13]
We Americans, MAJ Hoepner was saying, adhere to moral standards that are more important to us than simply winning a battle: to forfeit these standards is to lose who we are as American soldiers.

[...]

At stake is not just our preventing future strategic defeat, which is important enough, but our permanently solving what briefly became an existential crisis for our Army. This crisis arose when the "end justifies the means" camp grew far more influential than it should have grown during OIF I. Although this camp will always have adherents, this camp is not who we are, and it is definitely not who we should become.
... much, much more: http://cryptome.org/what-cost.pdf

Interesting concepts being put forth by Lt. Col. Pryor.
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Post by SquidInk » 04-24-2013 11:10 AM

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04 ... fghanistan
One of the major elements of Afghanistan’s air war will remain after most U.S. troops have headed home, the U.S. military command confirmed today. Armed drones, operated by the U.S., will remain over Afghanistan after 2014.

“I come back to the remotely piloted aircraft,” Air Force Maj. Gen. H.D. Polumbo, the commander of the U.S./NATO air war over Afghanistan, told reporters at the Pentagon today. “They can collect intelligence, but they also are armed. And they’re armed to be able to provide force protection to our coalition forces and then when our coalition ground force commanders, when they deem it appropriate, they can control that air-delivered munition capability from the RPAs to be put in support of the Afghans.”

The drones will not be the only air support available to the Afghan army after 2014, when most U.S. forces are slated to leave Afghanistan. But only “some fixed wing” manned fighters and bombers will remain on the battlefield, Polumbo said. Navy jets flown off of nearby aircraft carriers and Air Force planes flown from Gulf airbases will supplement them when the Afghans’ small supply of Mi-17 and Mi-35 attack helicopters, and their forthcoming Super Tucano planes, are overwhelmed.

And the drones will remain. “You’ll have that hybrid ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] as I call it, that armed ISR, remotely piloted aircraft capability all the way through ’14,” Polumbo said, “and then once [the follow-on Operation] Resolute Support mission and operations is fully understood and agreed upon by our coalition partners and our leadership, you will likely see it into 2015 to provide force protection.”
  • CIA led invasion of Afghanistan? - check . [1]
  • securement and development of opium trade? - check. [2]
  • installation of network of enormous & permanent bases across the middle east? - check. [3]
  • activation of drone patrols to ensure production/revenue? - check.
Mission accomplished. Send the high maintenance meat troops back to the Homeland.

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activi ... istan_2001 "In 2001, the CIA's Special Activities Division units were the first U.S. forces to enter Afghanistan."

[2] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 30612.html

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/15 ... ar-in-row/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_prod ... fghanistan

[3] http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175583/ ... scontents/
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I'll just leave this here...

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Post by Doka » 08-04-2013 11:27 AM

OHhhhh the irony of it all! :rolleyes:
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Post by kbot » 02-02-2014 10:01 AM

Just wondering.........

the first two vehicles have spare tires on the roof. If they're unmanned, who's gonna change the tire?

Freaky look at our future.
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