This is one paragraph excerpted from an article I posted in P&G today. Look there for full article and link. Perhaps this will convince Cherry that our Constitution has been shredded.
Among some of the widely cited concerns about the Patriot Act are that it redefines terrorism so broadly that many non-terrorist political activities such as protest marches or demonstrations and civil disobedience can be considered a terrorist act; grants the FBI the right to come to your place of employment, demand your personal records and question your supervisors and fellow employees, all without notifying you; allows the government access to your medical records, school records and practically every personal record about you; allows the government to secretly demand to see records of books or magazines you’ve checked out in any public library and Internet sites you’ve visited (at least 545 libraries received such demands in the first year following passage of the Patriot Act); and most egregious of all, it allows the FBI to enter your home through the use of a special warrant, search your personal effects and confiscate your personal property without informing you that they have done so.
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Well, most of my present-day problems are pain-related. My doctors give me plenty of meds. I do not have to doctor-shop, thank God.
BUT, it is very dangerous just to look at the "records." And when doctors look at my scans (fancy images), they see a MUCH SICKER person than the actual physical person who walks through their door in my skin.
Please be careful with my medical records, Rush's medical records, oh, and even IRIS's, por favor.
I don't want some Florida lawman's or politician's or lawyer's nose up my butt, no matter how EVIL Rush is.
Thank God for medical privacy laws, even though it generates a lot of paper.
BUT, it is very dangerous just to look at the "records." And when doctors look at my scans (fancy images), they see a MUCH SICKER person than the actual physical person who walks through their door in my skin.
Please be careful with my medical records, Rush's medical records, oh, and even IRIS's, por favor.
I don't want some Florida lawman's or politician's or lawyer's nose up my butt, no matter how EVIL Rush is.
Thank God for medical privacy laws, even though it generates a lot of paper.
You don't have to believe everything that you think...
ATTENTION CHERRY!
Look what I just ran across. This will be of special interest to you, with your concern about why information is still not shared between departments.
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June 20, 2005
FBI & 9/11
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Sibel Edmonds
Over four years ago, more than four months prior to the September 11 terrorist attacks, in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant/asset who had been providing the bureau with information since 1990, provided two FBI agents and a translator with specific information regarding a terrorist attack being planned by Osama Bin Laden. This asset/informant was previously a high- level intelligence officer in Iran in charge of intelligence from Afghanistan. Through his contacts in Afghanistan he received information that: 1) Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting 4-5 major cities, 2) the attack was going to involve airplanes, 3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States, 4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months. The agents who received this information reported it to their superior, Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism, Thomas Frields, at the FBI Washington Field Office, by filing “302” forms, and the translator, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, translated and documented this information. No action was taken by the Special Agent in Charge, Thomas Frields, and after 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to ‘keep quiet’ regarding this issue. The translator who was present during the session with the FBI informant, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, reported this incident to Director Mueller in writing, and later to the Department of Justice Inspector General. The press reported this incident, and in fact the report in the Chicago Tribune on July 21, 2004 stated that FBI officials had confirmed that this information was received in April 2001, and further, the Chicago Tribune quoted an aide to Director Mueller that he (Mueller) was surprised that the Commission never raised this particular issue with him during the hearing (Please refer to Chicago Tribune article, dated July 21, 2004). Mr. Sarshar reported this issue to the 9/11 Commission on February 12, 2004, and provided them with specific dates, location, witness names, and the contact information for that particular Iranian asset and the two special agents who received the information. I provided the 9/11 Commission with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses, and documents I had seen. Mr. Sarshar also provided the Department of Justice Inspector General with specific information regarding this case.
For almost four years since September 11, officials refused to admit to having specific information regarding the terrorists’ plans to attack the United States. The Phoenix Memo, received months prior to the 9/11 attacks, specifically warned FBI HQ of pilot training and their possible link to terrorist activities against the United States. Four months prior to the terrorist attacks the Iranian asset provided the FBI with specific information regarding the ‘use of airplanes’, ‘major US cities as targets’, and ‘Osama Bin Laden issuing the order.’ Coleen Rowley likewise reported that specific information had been provided to FBI HQ. All this information went to the same place: FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC, and the FBI Washington Field Office, in Washington DC.
In October 2001, approximately one month after the September 11 attack, an agent from (city name omitted) field office, re-sent a certain document to the FBI Washington Field Office, so that it could be re-translated. This Special Agent, in light of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, rightfully believed that, considering his target of investigation (the suspect under surveillance), and the issues involved, the original translation might have missed certain information that could prove to be valuable in the investigation of terrorist activities. After this document was received by the FBI Washington Field Office and retranslated verbatim, the field agent’s hunch appeared to be correct. The new translation revealed certain information regarding blueprints, pictures, and building material for skyscrapers being sent overseas (country name omitted). It also revealed certain illegal activities in obtaining visas from certain embassies in the Middle East, through network contacts and bribery. However, after the re-translation was completed and the new significant information was revealed, the unit supervisor in charge of certain Middle Eastern languages, Mike Feghali, decided NOT to send the re-translated information to the Special Agent who had requested it. Instead, this supervisor decided to send this agent a note stating that the translation was reviewed and that the original translation was accurate. This supervisor, Mike Feghali, stated that sending the accurate translation would hurt the original translator and would cause problems for the FBI language department. The FBI agent requesting the retranslation never received the accurate translation of that document. I provided this information to the 9/11 Commission on February 12, 2004, and to the Department of Justice Inspector General in May 2002.
The latest buzz topic regarding intelligence is the problem of sharing information, intelligence, within intelligence agencies and between intelligence agencies. To this date the public has not been told of intentional blocking of intelligence, and has not been told that certain information, despite its direct links, impacts and ties to terrorist related activities, is not given to or shared with Counterterrorism units, their investigations, and countering terrorism related activities. This was the case prior to 9/11, and remains in effect after 9/11. If Counterintelligence receives information that contains money laundering, illegal arms sale, and illegal drug activities, directly linked to terrorist activities; and if that information involves certain nations, certain semi- legit organizations, and ties to certain lucrative or political relations in this country, then, that information is not shared with Counterterrorism, regardless of the possible severe consequences. In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents cited ‘direct pressure by the State Department,’ and in other cases ‘sensitive diplomatic relations’ is cited. I provided the Department of Justice Inspector General and the 9/11 Commission with detailed and specific information and evidence regarding this issue, and the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and the names of certain U.S. officials involved in these transactions and activities.
Now, after almost 4 years, we get to hear new bits & pieces: FBI & Midhar’s Case; FBI & Abdel-Hafiz Case; FBI & Saudi planes leaving just days after 9/11 without having the passengers questioned; FBI & Youssef Case;… and the list goes on.
Today, after nearly four years since 9/11, the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘protecting certain foreign business relations.’ The victims family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for almost 4 years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under ‘safeguarding certain diplomatic relations .’
Where is the so-called congressional oversight? Why has the 9/11 Commission intentionally omitted this info; although they’ve had it all along? Where is accountability?
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
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I take that to mean that if it concerns his dear friends in Saudi Arabia, Bush has orders out that it's to be squelched. Some "Homeland Security" eh? It looks like if that were not the case, 9-11 would not have happened.
Look what I just ran across. This will be of special interest to you, with your concern about why information is still not shared between departments.
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June 20, 2005
FBI & 9/11
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Sibel Edmonds
Over four years ago, more than four months prior to the September 11 terrorist attacks, in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant/asset who had been providing the bureau with information since 1990, provided two FBI agents and a translator with specific information regarding a terrorist attack being planned by Osama Bin Laden. This asset/informant was previously a high- level intelligence officer in Iran in charge of intelligence from Afghanistan. Through his contacts in Afghanistan he received information that: 1) Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting 4-5 major cities, 2) the attack was going to involve airplanes, 3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States, 4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months. The agents who received this information reported it to their superior, Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism, Thomas Frields, at the FBI Washington Field Office, by filing “302” forms, and the translator, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, translated and documented this information. No action was taken by the Special Agent in Charge, Thomas Frields, and after 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to ‘keep quiet’ regarding this issue. The translator who was present during the session with the FBI informant, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, reported this incident to Director Mueller in writing, and later to the Department of Justice Inspector General. The press reported this incident, and in fact the report in the Chicago Tribune on July 21, 2004 stated that FBI officials had confirmed that this information was received in April 2001, and further, the Chicago Tribune quoted an aide to Director Mueller that he (Mueller) was surprised that the Commission never raised this particular issue with him during the hearing (Please refer to Chicago Tribune article, dated July 21, 2004). Mr. Sarshar reported this issue to the 9/11 Commission on February 12, 2004, and provided them with specific dates, location, witness names, and the contact information for that particular Iranian asset and the two special agents who received the information. I provided the 9/11 Commission with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses, and documents I had seen. Mr. Sarshar also provided the Department of Justice Inspector General with specific information regarding this case.
For almost four years since September 11, officials refused to admit to having specific information regarding the terrorists’ plans to attack the United States. The Phoenix Memo, received months prior to the 9/11 attacks, specifically warned FBI HQ of pilot training and their possible link to terrorist activities against the United States. Four months prior to the terrorist attacks the Iranian asset provided the FBI with specific information regarding the ‘use of airplanes’, ‘major US cities as targets’, and ‘Osama Bin Laden issuing the order.’ Coleen Rowley likewise reported that specific information had been provided to FBI HQ. All this information went to the same place: FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC, and the FBI Washington Field Office, in Washington DC.
In October 2001, approximately one month after the September 11 attack, an agent from (city name omitted) field office, re-sent a certain document to the FBI Washington Field Office, so that it could be re-translated. This Special Agent, in light of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, rightfully believed that, considering his target of investigation (the suspect under surveillance), and the issues involved, the original translation might have missed certain information that could prove to be valuable in the investigation of terrorist activities. After this document was received by the FBI Washington Field Office and retranslated verbatim, the field agent’s hunch appeared to be correct. The new translation revealed certain information regarding blueprints, pictures, and building material for skyscrapers being sent overseas (country name omitted). It also revealed certain illegal activities in obtaining visas from certain embassies in the Middle East, through network contacts and bribery. However, after the re-translation was completed and the new significant information was revealed, the unit supervisor in charge of certain Middle Eastern languages, Mike Feghali, decided NOT to send the re-translated information to the Special Agent who had requested it. Instead, this supervisor decided to send this agent a note stating that the translation was reviewed and that the original translation was accurate. This supervisor, Mike Feghali, stated that sending the accurate translation would hurt the original translator and would cause problems for the FBI language department. The FBI agent requesting the retranslation never received the accurate translation of that document. I provided this information to the 9/11 Commission on February 12, 2004, and to the Department of Justice Inspector General in May 2002.
The latest buzz topic regarding intelligence is the problem of sharing information, intelligence, within intelligence agencies and between intelligence agencies. To this date the public has not been told of intentional blocking of intelligence, and has not been told that certain information, despite its direct links, impacts and ties to terrorist related activities, is not given to or shared with Counterterrorism units, their investigations, and countering terrorism related activities. This was the case prior to 9/11, and remains in effect after 9/11. If Counterintelligence receives information that contains money laundering, illegal arms sale, and illegal drug activities, directly linked to terrorist activities; and if that information involves certain nations, certain semi- legit organizations, and ties to certain lucrative or political relations in this country, then, that information is not shared with Counterterrorism, regardless of the possible severe consequences. In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents cited ‘direct pressure by the State Department,’ and in other cases ‘sensitive diplomatic relations’ is cited. I provided the Department of Justice Inspector General and the 9/11 Commission with detailed and specific information and evidence regarding this issue, and the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and the names of certain U.S. officials involved in these transactions and activities.
Now, after almost 4 years, we get to hear new bits & pieces: FBI & Midhar’s Case; FBI & Abdel-Hafiz Case; FBI & Saudi planes leaving just days after 9/11 without having the passengers questioned; FBI & Youssef Case;… and the list goes on.
Today, after nearly four years since 9/11, the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘protecting certain foreign business relations.’ The victims family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for almost 4 years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under ‘safeguarding certain diplomatic relations .’
Where is the so-called congressional oversight? Why has the 9/11 Commission intentionally omitted this info; although they’ve had it all along? Where is accountability?
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
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I take that to mean that if it concerns his dear friends in Saudi Arabia, Bush has orders out that it's to be squelched. Some "Homeland Security" eh? It looks like if that were not the case, 9-11 would not have happened.
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Bellisima -- I have stated many times I do not like the PA - except as noted in many posts I have made. NOW -- according to other news sources - re libraries -- the numbers are about half what you posted, and were tied to 'suspicious' people - not just the types of terrorists such as those connected to the porn field as well.
Now I am totally against invasion of privacy. The claims being made about FBI being able to do so - are one thing - but where are some actual places/names/etc of homes so invaded? There have been some 400 arrests of cell groups and porn connected people - through FBI as well as several 'round-ups' of illegals.
BTW -- this "being able to go to libraries bit" is one that congress plans to remove - along with a few others that are "intrusive and invasion of privacy" --
Now I am totally against invasion of privacy. The claims being made about FBI being able to do so - are one thing - but where are some actual places/names/etc of homes so invaded? There have been some 400 arrests of cell groups and porn connected people - through FBI as well as several 'round-ups' of illegals.
BTW -- this "being able to go to libraries bit" is one that congress plans to remove - along with a few others that are "intrusive and invasion of privacy" --
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Iris -- actually this is OLD news - even though it carries a new release date and time. I have not checked archives here - but many of these same things were discussed...re memos and translation tapes and other information pre 911 AND the cover-ups or possible cover-ups. At that time and during that discussion I related a news item -- tv news - from one of our own local pilots trainers - small planes - and one of the 19 who attempted to get pilots training. It was also mentioned back then about crop duster pilot training.
In addition post 911 info - the discussion included training books and list of other places - targets that were all suppose to happen on same date, but for some reason or other - did not...plans changed in the "11th hour".
Terrorists and planes - when the information surfaced about crop dusting pilot training, many people became highly concerned over bio terrorism.
I believe we are all aware of numerous bits and pieces of information that surfaced and wonder WHY it was "overlooked". Hindsight. Just like the "overlooked" connections - pre OKC bombing. These agencies do the "cover your tush" act -- incompetency - failure to put stronger efforts to follow through on information.
The problem here with FBI situation is that they also had other information that talked about trucks being used to blow up major infrastructure - transportation and nuclear plants. (BTW there was a recent article about a bunch of ILLEGALS that had access to a nuclear plant - linked off drudge last week. This report released on illegals from construction that had open access to nuclear power plant was just in last two years.)
In addition post 911 info - the discussion included training books and list of other places - targets that were all suppose to happen on same date, but for some reason or other - did not...plans changed in the "11th hour".
Terrorists and planes - when the information surfaced about crop dusting pilot training, many people became highly concerned over bio terrorism.
I believe we are all aware of numerous bits and pieces of information that surfaced and wonder WHY it was "overlooked". Hindsight. Just like the "overlooked" connections - pre OKC bombing. These agencies do the "cover your tush" act -- incompetency - failure to put stronger efforts to follow through on information.
The problem here with FBI situation is that they also had other information that talked about trucks being used to blow up major infrastructure - transportation and nuclear plants. (BTW there was a recent article about a bunch of ILLEGALS that had access to a nuclear plant - linked off drudge last week. This report released on illegals from construction that had open access to nuclear power plant was just in last two years.)
Originally posted by Cherry Kelly
Bellisima -- I have stated many times I do not like the PA - except as noted in many posts I have made. NOW -- according to other news sources - re libraries -- the numbers are about half what you posted, and were tied to 'suspicious' people - not just the types of terrorists such as those connected to the porn field as well.
Cherry, here is my source for the number of libraries whose records were demanded by the government in the first year following enactment of the Patriot Act. May I please have the urls for the contradicting sources you cite?
http://tinyurl.com/9ld63
Bellisima -- I have stated many times I do not like the PA - except as noted in many posts I have made. NOW -- according to other news sources - re libraries -- the numbers are about half what you posted, and were tied to 'suspicious' people - not just the types of terrorists such as those connected to the porn field as well.
Cherry, here is my source for the number of libraries whose records were demanded by the government in the first year following enactment of the Patriot Act. May I please have the urls for the contradicting sources you cite?
http://tinyurl.com/9ld63
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Agreed. Those investigating need to access his records, of course. They just don't need to publish them in the newspaper. Right?racehorse wrote: Actually, without his records, the case against Rush is incredibly weak.
We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin
Cherry, you're running off in all directions. I was simply questioning your statement:
Perhaps I should have quoted that in the first place. Yes, that IS part of the Constitution, but it's been overthrown by the Pat Act. which you should know -- if you actually read the posts here and look things up.
Cherry Kelly wrote: ... the right to privacy is still part of the constitution.
Perhaps I should have quoted that in the first place. Yes, that IS part of the Constitution, but it's been overthrown by the Pat Act. which you should know -- if you actually read the posts here and look things up.
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Bellisima -- other posts in the forum have different numbers. So did CSpan 1 news. Not EVERYTHING appears JUST in URLs -- and I don't merely pay attention to URLs, but also the real news coming from tv news feed sources.
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Iris - I have been reading the monstrous PatAct -- there are many highly questionable parts of it...that do violate the Constitution in my opinion as well as yours. I have said the only thing I "Like" about the Pat Act. I can understand some things are necessary during a time of war, and I also understand that far too many criminals are being set free on minor technicalities - which in some ways the Pat Act does remove those "technicalities" -- good, bad - yet to be decided.
I have mentioned many times that I am into irc chats - now some people consider IRC chats as ehh -- but you'd be amazed at the many people who are very knowledgeable in the area of law and law enforcement. We discussed the PAI to great lengths, pros and cons. We are now paying attention to what congress is doing about changing PAI to eliminate those "shady" areas. Hopefully they will succeed...as most everyone here and in irc agree that some of the PAI goes too far in its authority.
JUST because I don't post URL after URL does not mean that I am not reading them or researching information. I'd much rather see responses to a combination of URL and news reports - to see how people react and what they comprehend.
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Iris - I have been reading the monstrous PatAct -- there are many highly questionable parts of it...that do violate the Constitution in my opinion as well as yours. I have said the only thing I "Like" about the Pat Act. I can understand some things are necessary during a time of war, and I also understand that far too many criminals are being set free on minor technicalities - which in some ways the Pat Act does remove those "technicalities" -- good, bad - yet to be decided.
I have mentioned many times that I am into irc chats - now some people consider IRC chats as ehh -- but you'd be amazed at the many people who are very knowledgeable in the area of law and law enforcement. We discussed the PAI to great lengths, pros and cons. We are now paying attention to what congress is doing about changing PAI to eliminate those "shady" areas. Hopefully they will succeed...as most everyone here and in irc agree that some of the PAI goes too far in its authority.
JUST because I don't post URL after URL does not mean that I am not reading them or researching information. I'd much rather see responses to a combination of URL and news reports - to see how people react and what they comprehend.
Cherry, I'm glad you're doing your homework on the Pat Act and speaking out against it. Good for you! 
Freedom is a two-edged sword, of course. Most Americans are against the Pat Act, even though it supposedly "protects" us. I'm glad they feel that way. Now, if we could only get Bushco and all his little minions (Rep and Dem) to listen to We the People, eh?
Freedom is a two-edged sword, of course. Most Americans are against the Pat Act, even though it supposedly "protects" us. I'm glad they feel that way. Now, if we could only get Bushco and all his little minions (Rep and Dem) to listen to We the People, eh?
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The medical privacy laws are for everybody who wants to see your records, not just the courts. Every time I sign one of those things, which is every time I see a doctor, it means nobody has access. Then I have to sign individual releases.
This gets a bit absurd, but I'm glad. Nevada has computers in place to keep tack of who's doing what narcotics, though. Florida probably has slightly different laws.
The best way to censor Rush is in your own home. You can take it a step further and avoid his sponsors, too. I haven't listened to him since he killed Bambi.
This gets a bit absurd, but I'm glad. Nevada has computers in place to keep tack of who's doing what narcotics, though. Florida probably has slightly different laws.
The best way to censor Rush is in your own home. You can take it a step further and avoid his sponsors, too. I haven't listened to him since he killed Bambi.
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Iris -- I do speak out against the PA1 - except as I have noted in various threads. The cooperation between policing units across this nation should have been done a long time ago.
On a side note the people across this nation - especially mothers of young children - are demanding more notification on sexual preditors who might be living in their neighborhoods. AND they are getting answers and removing these people from living near young children.
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Dev -- I totally agree - an individuals right to privacy for medical records should be that - PRIVATE - and only accessible through permission of the individual - or as noted case of emergency when MEDICAL people need to access medical records.
As for listening to Rush -- ehh - I catch his show, Tony Snow (local) and Hannity and Colmes talk radio shows... sometimes it is interesting to hear callers and find out things on HOT TOPICS being discussed. As individuals we can listen, read and attempt to digest whatever is being discussed and the reactions. Don't always agree with any of them, but interesting listening at times. Just as one reads a newspaper or URL -- agree or disagree, but attempting to keep up on latest ...
On a side note the people across this nation - especially mothers of young children - are demanding more notification on sexual preditors who might be living in their neighborhoods. AND they are getting answers and removing these people from living near young children.
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Dev -- I totally agree - an individuals right to privacy for medical records should be that - PRIVATE - and only accessible through permission of the individual - or as noted case of emergency when MEDICAL people need to access medical records.
As for listening to Rush -- ehh - I catch his show, Tony Snow (local) and Hannity and Colmes talk radio shows... sometimes it is interesting to hear callers and find out things on HOT TOPICS being discussed. As individuals we can listen, read and attempt to digest whatever is being discussed and the reactions. Don't always agree with any of them, but interesting listening at times. Just as one reads a newspaper or URL -- agree or disagree, but attempting to keep up on latest ...