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VT Killer USMC? Alex Jones

Post by Gnome Knapper » 04-19-2007 08:14 PM

Time to have Alex on George.

Over at prisonplanet.com they have pictures of Seung-Hui Cho in what looks like USMC camos with an unidentified male. http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/apri ... killer.jpg

Don't know if they are legit USMC camos but it would be nice to have the other man identified, who is he?


Seung-Hui Cho Was a Mind Controlled Assassin http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... rolled.htm

Criminologist "dumbfounded" on killers gun proficiency http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMGmJG9R ... lled%2Ehtm

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Post by Shirleypal » 04-19-2007 10:34 PM

Gnome looks like First Hour: Alex Jones comments on the Oklahoma City bombing on its 12th anniversary on Coast to Coast tonight.

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Post by Gnome Knapper » 04-19-2007 11:36 PM

SWEET! Thanks Shirleypal I must of missed that on the Coast page earlier, or was it there earlier. Anyway its good he's on tonight.

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Post by Iris » 04-20-2007 12:11 AM

Gnome, I'm so glad you posted this. I've listened a lot to MSNBC and CNN and heard not one teensy word questioning where Cho got his gun training. That alone is very strange.

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Post by Corvid » 04-20-2007 12:36 AM

"Criminologist "dumbfounded" on killers gun proficiency


last night The Discovery Channel aired a two hour special on computer gaming and the relation to the human mind.

In discussing the "First Person Shooter" genre, a story was related about an early teen gamer who took a pistol to his classroom and shot eight rounds at his classmates.... he scored eight hits including SIX head shots.

He had fired a real gun just once and very briefly. But he played the game several hours each day.

The crazy sonofabitch at VT posed in many costumes and was as much a killer ninja as he was a Marine.

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Post by skydancer » 04-20-2007 12:50 AM

I can't understand why Cho wouldn't sleep in the dark. He made his roommate keep the light on.

Cho wasn't taking his prescription either ... perhaps if he had
he wouldn't have gone crazy.

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Post by Gnome Knapper » 04-20-2007 08:47 PM

Corvid wrote: "Criminologist "dumbfounded" on killers gun proficiency


last night The Discovery Channel aired a two hour special on computer gaming and the relation to the human mind.

In discussing the "First Person Shooter" genre, a story was related about an early teen gamer who took a pistol to his classroom and shot eight rounds at his classmates.... he scored eight hits including SIX head shots.

He had fired a real gun just once and very briefly. But he played the game several hours each day.

The crazy sonofabitch at VT posed in many costumes and was as much a killer ninja as he was a Marine.


I'm not saying he's USMC, but wouldn't you like to know who the other man in the photo is?

Also video games have been exonerated, he didn't have any video games and his dorm roomates said he never played video games. http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/12 ... _Tech.html

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Post by Corvid » 04-21-2007 01:18 AM


I'm not saying he's USMC, but wouldn't you like to know who the other man in the photo is?


Yes... most definitely. Whoever it might be is perhaps just as much a nut job as was cho.

Ever wonder hpw many of these bastards are really out there? Makes me dream of a lil cabin in the deep piney woods.... and no tv.

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Post by cherry » 04-21-2007 07:38 AM

Gnome Knapper wrote: Time to have Alex on George . . . .


Alex Jones ratings . . . . :o :cool:

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Post by avi » 04-22-2007 09:41 AM

Cho's sister....Cho Sun-Kyung, a 2004 Princeton University graduate who works as a contractor for a U.S. State Department office that oversees American aid for Iraq.

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No read this.................. Princeton, MK-ULTRA connection

Forerunner, April 29, 1980

Panel met secretly in Princeton
Dulles Papers Reveal CIA Consulting Network
by John Cavanagh


A government which corrupts its colleges and universities by making political fronts of them . . . has betrayed academic freedom and compromised all who teach. When colleges and universities are made conduits of deceit and when faculty members are paid to lie, there is an end to the common good of higher education.
-- Professor Van Alstyne, former president of the American Association of University Professors (Academe, June 1976, p. 54)

Throughout the 1960s, and possibly longer, at least five Princeton professors worked secretly as high-level consultants for the CIA, according to previously undisclosed documents contained in the personal papers of former CIA director Allen W. Dulles '14.

Cyril Black, Klaus Knorr, Joseph Strayer, James Billington, and the late T. Cuyler Young served as members of the "Princeton Consultants," a secret panel of academics who met in Princeton, together with Dulles, four times a year to assist with intelligence assessments for the CIA's Office of National Estimates.

Professor Black, who had told the Daily Princetonian in 1976 that he had never been in the CIA's "employ," confirmed to the Forerunner last week that he had indeed served as a paid consultant for the spy agency. "Nobody ever asked me if I was a consultant," Black explained.

Billington acknowledged to the Daily Princetonian in 1968 that he consulted for the CIA's Office of National Estimates, according to him, "two or three times a year." Strayer had also been publicly identified as a CIA consultant. The CIA activities of the other two professors, however, have until now remained a secret, as has the existence of the Princeton Consultants group.

Black confirmed that then-Princeton President Robert Goheen was aware of the group's existence. But he said that it was "not a university matter at all."

The Dulles papers and letters, which are housed in Princeton's Seeley G. Mudd Library, afford a rare glimpse into the CIA's interactions with Princeton and other universities from the early 1950s until Dulles's death in 1969. Dulles maintained close ties with his alma mater, including seats on Princeton's Board of Trustees and on the Woodrow Wilson School Advisory Council.

Access to the Papers is contingent upon approval by an Allen W. Dulles Committee. In addition, researchers are required to sign a contract stating that any publication using the Papers will be submitted in advance to the Committee for approval. After a one-month delay, permission was obtained for this article.

Before this month's careful research in the Dulles Papers, little was documented of relations between the CIA and the Princeton faculty. Other than history professor Joseph Strayer, whom one writer termed "the agency's most devoted consultant" (James Ridgeway, The Cloned Corporation, 1968, p. 138), only two professors had been identified who served in organizations that received CIA funding: Politics professor Paul Sigmund with the Independent Research Service, and Near Eastern Studies professor Morroe Berger with the Congress for Cultural Freedom.

Previous disclosures about Princeton and the CIA were limited to close ties in three other areas: recruitment (including extensive CIA collaboration with former Dean of Students, William D'O. Lippincott '41 and former Director of Career Services Newell Brown '39); CIA research carried out on the Princeton campus (including the secret MK-ULTRA mind control program); and close institutional ties (several Princeton alumni have served as CIA Director, Deputy Director, or Director of Personnel).


Princeton Consultants: The Structure

Perhaps the most extraordinary of the Papers' contents are letters and memos which expose Strayer as a small tip of a consultant iceberg. Filed under "Princeton Consultants" and cross-referenced under "Central Intelligence Agency: Panel of Consultants (Princeton Consultants)," letters from 1961 to 1969 sketch the outlines of one of the central programs of professors covertly consulting for the CIA.

The only year during which the entire membership of the Consultants is known is 1961, when all of them signed a note of "respect and affection" to Dulles that accompanied a gift.

At that time, the panel consisted of nine senior professors: the late T. Cuyler Young (Near Eastern Studies, Princeton); Klaus Knorr (Strategic Studies, Princeton); Joseph Strayer (Medieval History, Princeton); Cyril Black (Soviet Studies, Princeton); the late William Langer (History, Harvard); Robert Bowie (International Studies, Harvard); Max Millikan (International Studies, M.I.T.); Raymond Sontag (European History, Berkeley); and Calvin Hoover (Soviet Economics, Duke); and four others: Philip E. Mosely (Director of Studies, Council on Foreign Relations); Hamilton Fish Armstrong (editor, ForeIgn Affairs); Caryl P. Haskins (Director, Carnegie Institution); and Harold F. Linder (Assistant Secretary of State and Chairman of the Export-Import Bank).

Two later members of the Princeton Consultants are disclosed in correspondence to Dulles and his wife Clover: Princeton History professor James Billington (January 15, 1965 letter from Dulles to Billington) and M.I.T. China expert Lucian Pye (January 30, 1969 letter from Pye to Clover Dulles).

Both Dulles and Sherman Kent, Chairman of the CIA's Board of National Estimates, also attended the Consultants meetings. The meetings were held in two-day blocks, four times a year. Many of the meeting dates coincided with Princeton trustee meetings, probably for Dulles's convenience. This appears to have created some problems for Dulles, however, whose personal schedule for the third week in October 1962 shows several time conflicts between his normal trustee duties and activities he pencilled in his own handwriting under the heading "CIA Consultants."

The precise year that the Princeton Consultants began operations is unclear from the Dulles Papers. A "Princeton Consultants" file first appears in 1961. However, in thirteen identical letters dated October 21 of that year, Dulles thanks each of the Consultants "for what you have contributed to our work here over the years." This language indicates that the group's existence reaches back well into the 1950s. Black confirmed that his membership in the Consultants dates from around 1957.

A further clue to the Consultants' origins is found in Consultant Calvin Hoover's memoirs (Memoirs of Capitalism, Communism, and Nazism, 1965). He writes (p. 270) that, after December 1950: "I agreed to serve as a member of a board of national estimates, composed largely of professors, generals, and admirals. It was a pleasure to find myself associated once more with Allen Dulles and with other friends of OSS days."

Within the next two and a half years, however, Hoover suffered a heart attack. He recalls (p. 273): "Bedell Smith asked that I continue to serve as a consultant [to the Board] to the extent that my health would permit. I agreed and continued to serve in this capacity during succeeding years."

If Hoover's consultancy began with the Princeton Consultants, then the group's existence stretches back at least to 1953.

The Consultants' termination date is also not revealed in the Papers. At the time of Dulles' last letter concerning the Princeton Consultants schedule (May 15, 1968 letter from Dulles to Frances Douglas), the former CIA head was still attending their meetings and "look[ed] forward to the future ones."

Black told the Forerunner that he had served on the Consultants until the late 1960s and that he believes they kept going for "a few years" after he left. Knorr added that he didn't think the group existed "when Bowen was president" of Princeton. This would place the Consultants' termination before 1972.

In addition to the Papers' frequent references to the CIA's Board of National Estimates, three other bits of evidence lead to the conclusion that a major portion of the Consultants' work went to the Board.

First, when approached by The Daily Princetonian on possible CIA affiliations (November 8, 1968), Consultant "Billington told The Princetonian he consulted for the Office of National Estimates 'two or three times a year' for a 'nominal fee -- $50 a day.' He explained he participated in conferences with other academics which submitted 'broad and scholarly' National Intelligence Estimates to the National Security Council. Billington added he was only one of 'quite a few' Princeton professors who worked for the CIA but refused to make an estimate on how many."

Second, according to the Dulles Papers, Sherman Kent, Chairman of the CIA's Board of National Estimates, came to most, if not all, of the Consultants' meetings until he retired in 1967. He also presided over at least one meeting in 1967, indicating his importance to the group.

Finally, in a letter of November 5, 1965 from the CIA Director W.F. "Red" Raborn to Dulles, Raborn turned down an offer by Dulles to resign from the Princeton Consultants as follows: "I assure you that I have no desire to see you leave this Panel. On the contrary, I am anxious that the Agency generally, and the Board of National Estimates in particular, shall enlarge and extend their contacts with persons capable of advising and assisting in their work."

Thus, the Dulles Papers reveal a direct link between the Princeton Consultants and the Board of National Estimates. Former CIA officer Victor Marchetti in collaboration with John Marks (The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, 1974) describe the Board of National Estimates in 1973 as a 12- to 14-person board with a staff of forty to fifty specialists. It is doubtful that the Princeton Consultants were the Board; rather, they probably formed an adjunct to the "specialists."

The central function of the Board of National Estimates and its specialists was to prepare, each year, some fifty-odd National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) -- called "blue books" -- which, according to Marchetti and Marks (p. 314), "were considered the highest form of national intelligence." Estimates covered such topics as assessment of the "enemy's" intentions in different countries and regions, and foreign military capabilities.



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http://www.cia-on-campus.org/princeton.edu/consult.html

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Post by avi » 04-22-2007 05:09 PM

You know what else is weird? I read that they found " Ismail Ax" written in red on his arm........

If you change the letters around it reads.....


ALAS I MIX

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Post by Iris » 04-22-2007 06:59 PM

I'm glad to find this thread. Alex has had a lot to say about this subject. You can listen to him stream 24/7 from either prisonplanet.com or infowars.com. I hadn't been listening to him for a while but when this happened I tuned into him and boy did I get an earful! I take Alex with a grain of salt, which means some of it sounds very credible and some of it sounds pretty farfetched. But at the very least he'll make you think outside the box and start noticing things you were missing.
avi wrote: You know what else is weird? I read that they found " Ismail Ax" written in red on his arm........


I think it was Alex saying that Ismail Ax was probably a code/trigger for Cho to go on his mind-controlled shooting spree. Might have been a guest host or a caller, but I think it was Alex.

I hope someone calls Alex with the ID of the other man in the picture, as Alex is requesting.
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Post by Gnome Knapper » 04-23-2007 12:17 AM

Thanks for the info Avi, I didn't know that about his sister working for the State Dept. Strange that it wasn't mentioned on any national news reports when you consider his family's bio had been covered extensively.

Here's another oddity, Cho went to the same high school as last years spree shooter Michael Kennedy


CHANTILLY, Va. -- Counselors were at Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., Tuesday after word spread that the suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shootings was a 2003 graduate.

It wasn't an unfamiliar situation, though.

Michael Kennedy, the gunman in the Sully Police Station shooting from last May, also had attended Westfield.

Two officers and Kennedy were killed in that shootout. http://www.nbc4.com/news/12322887/detail.html

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Post by Manao » 04-23-2007 07:44 AM

Something doesn't sit right with me.

How can his family report that , his video was the first time his family heard him speak in complete sentences?

Did they truly confirm his identity , or is it a report created for the media?

Did they use the copycat effect to make it more realistic ? (other shootings and bomb threats)

They meaning the Puppet Masters.

Did he (Cho) have Asperger's?
It was reported by his Dorm mates and class mates, that he never made eye contact.
If he was diagnosed with Autism/Asperger's, they will not use any emotion, even hate as shown in the videos he made.
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T!


Also, the University wants it dropped and forgotten from the Media.

Too many people digging into the truth?

Are they questioning too many students and some of the stories doesn't match?
Why were some of the witnesses and dorm mates quick to interview?
They didn't even look shaken. Especially the guy that was his ex-roommate.



Cho's sister was chosen for her position with Princeton, and with The Gov't.


When the State department hires anyone,including contractors, they must be a US citizen, which, Cho was naturalized, I'm sure, they do extensive NSA background checks, medical record's reviews of questionable family members, etc....it's a complex process.

They can go back as far as 15 years into your life.

Was Cho chosen for his role and did his sister sell him out?

Why was it first reported that the Gunman was a Chinese national here on student Visa?

Did they change the story?

So many questions. Only dead end answers.

Could his schoolmates and Faculty really be able to identify him, he was quiet and antisocial, right? If the kid was invisible and no one really noticed him, how could they ID him?

His School photo and the video does not match. The Photo of " him" in Marines Camo says "HU". It must be an authentic uniform because the guy next to him is wearing a Gore-tex jacket, which is the Matching Military issue, and it costs about 350 bucks or even used will cost you 250 !!, so a kid wouldn't be wearing it to play paint ball in.


The more I read about it and hear about it, I have more questions.

Is the truth so simple as a sick kid going on a shooting spree?

I hope for our Country's sake, it is just that.

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