3840 streamed?

benner · Post by **benner** » 12-28-2002 04:25 PM

is there no one streaming these SW channels onto the net? I have the radio computer setup for this (linux server, fast connection, knowledge), but absolutely no SW experience. Can I hear this on a regular SW radio from Montreal Canada? If so, and someone wants to help with SW expertise, I would be willing to try streaming this out to yall... If anyone else is doing this or has a website in mind that does, I sure would love to listen in on ABs chats sometimes.

Post by **Linnea** » 12-28-2002 05:10 PM

Hey, benner - our resident experts are Elk and Jimbo, radiomen

Maybe one of them will post here. It would be great to have a streaming link to 3840. You would need to locate the signal, around midnite - on the 75 meter band - LSB 3.840, and then - I think - convert the SW broadcast through a Windows Media Player avi file - then post that link for the 'live' encoding. BenR had been streaming a link through Live365? But don't know if he still does...

Elk? Jimbo?

eliza_nightvoice · Post by **eliza_nightvoice** » 12-28-2002 06:36 PM

I know some "commercial SW stations" stream.
Wha'd the difference between their license and an individual ham operating license?

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Justen Tyme · Post by **Justen Tyme** » 12-28-2002 09:02 PM

Well if I recall correctly some FFolks
once heard th' 3830 group - where?

Anyone else besides me remember
... "The Fantastic Java Radio?"

Way back when, they had only a
sole US receiver in Urbana, Illinois -
now they even have one in CA!

That's the good news... now, for
some not-quite-all-good news ...

1. They have free registration (YAY!!)

2. You need to subscribe (drat! drat!)
to use receivers other than those in
Champaign IL & Kristianstad, Sweden.

I registered and played with the free
radios - sure wish I knew what I was
doing... anyone here know Swedish?!

Benner? Do check out the setup info

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Justen Tyme · Post by **Justen Tyme** » 12-28-2002 09:28 PM

Speaking of way back, I was using the
WayBackMachine ( http://archive.org )-

Anyone remember the old 3830 website?
(There's 2 Real Audio Art clips archived!)

Here's the site now - Looking for 3830?

'N don't ferget, if ya miss Art's site? You
can get a bit of a blast from the past at -

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.artbell.com

benner · Post by **benner** » 01-01-2003 02:22 PM

The actual streaming part is easy for me - I am set to stream either realmedia, quicktime or mp3 in realtime - all compression and serving done on the fly.

What I need to know is what kind of hardware radiowise I'd need to pick up - inputting signal to computer is easy too.

What I want to know is, will a little shortwave radio pick this up? What is the diff between a ham radio set and a shortwave radio?

enigma · Post by **enigma** » 01-01-2003 02:55 PM

I don't remember for sure where I copied this from, may have been a FF post or artbell.com but this is what I copied if it helps:

Just to let you all know - you will no longer find Art on 3830. He and his friends have moved their home to 3840 for QSOs (conversations), and 3845 for SSTV (Slow Scan TV). You will find them all there every night from about 12:30 am Pacific Time
until everybody falls asleep - somewhere between 3:00 and 5:00 am Pacific Time.

For awhile they moved to 3853 because of some obnoxious ham that kept bugging them.

and I saw this link in an old file http://www.qsl.net/3830/

it says:

Looking for 3830?
Wonder where those interesting ham operators went?
They switched to another frequency...
Now, many of the operators can still be heard nightly
starting at about 10:30pm Pacific Time (0630z UTC).
Tune them in on LSB between 3840 kHz and 3880 kHz.

(edit, just noticed the above is the same link Justen Tyme posted above

)

I would love it if someone could stream the hams! That old javaradio was a pain and always someone coming in and changing the channel

If someone could post instructions on how to pick it up on a shortwave it would help too. I have a Sangean (sp?) but have never been able to pick it up. Couldn't suss out all the channels to set

What did you folks think of my Art Bell News Email idea here?? http://www.fantasticforum.com/ubb/Forum ... 00317.html

HNY!

eni

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crm · Post by **crm** » 01-01-2003 03:41 PM

Does anyone know if 3840 can be picked up in Ohio? If so, does anyone have any recommendations on which shortwave radio I should purchase? I'm already going through withdrawl pangs knowing I can't listen to Art tonight.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 01-01-2003 04:58 PM

Benner

The radio shack dx 398 will do a very good job.
(DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A HAM RIG)unless of course you want to become a ham operator.

I can hear Art very well on it although I can't always hear who he's talking to because I'm in SC and not too many folks transmit at 2500 watts like Art does.
My antennea is 120+ - feet long about 35 feet in the air, 40 feet in the air is said to be the minimum hieght but a little less wont hurt too much.

You should be able to bring the signal in very well depending on the antennea.
Good luck with it and keep us posted on your progress.
--Rick

Kali · Post by **Kali** » 01-01-2003 05:48 PM

To all you good pirates who want to listen to Art and his HAM buddies, here's a little info that might be of help to you.

First, Art does not run 2500 watts, as that is quite illegal. The maximum LEGAL output power for amateur radio operators is 1500 watts PEP (Peak Envelope Power). There are only a few "big guns" on the frequency that run that kind of power, Art, of course being one of them. The reason Art's signal is so much stronger than anybody else is because of his 1000 ft. loop antenna that he is so proud of.

Now, if you want to listen to 3840 (or any other frequency they sometimes move around to), you will need a radio capable of receiving SSB (Single Side Band). There are several types of radios you can get, and many different price ranges, as well. The radio must be capable of receiving LSB (lower side band), or have a BFO (Beat Frequency Oscillator) in order to receive SSB.

If you have a radio that is capable of selective SSB reception, i.e., an LSB/SSB switch or mode, select LSB (Lower Side Band) and tune your frequency display to the desired frequency, in this case 3840. If the signal is strong enough at your location, you should be able to hear the QSOs.

If your receiver does not have selectable side band capabilities, simply tune your radio to the proper frequency, turn on your BFO, and adjust the pitch control for the most "normal" sounding voice.

Please note, if you do not have a BFO or an SSB selection, you will not be able to receive the signals. A standard AM radio is NOT sufficient, as they are not capable of receiving single side band.

Most mid to high end receivers, such as Sangean, Radio Shack, are capable of receiving SSB. If you want to purchase the Sangean, I suggest you give Bob Crane (C Crane) a call and explain to him what you want to listen to. Same goes for Radio Shack receivers. Just tell them you are interested to listening to amateur radio bands, 75 meters in particular, Lower Side Band.

As you will soon learn after listening to "Art and his buddies", the key word is ANTENNA, ANTENNA, ANTENNA. The longer the wire and the higher in the air you can put it, the better your reception will be.

Any kind of wire, approximately 50 feet or more in length, placed 40 to 50 feet in the air, should enable you to hear everybody on 3840, regardless of where you are located. But keep in mind that atmospheric conditions will ALWAYS be a player, and some nights are just better than others as far as interference goes. Just remember to use an insulator at each point where the antenna wire is attached to it's supporting structure (roof, tree, pole, etc.),to eliminate signal loss.

The method of hooking up an external antenna to your radio, should be covered in the instruction manual for the radio (and none of you would ever throw it away, right?).

I hope this info is helpful for you all. As for streaming the signal - good luck finding a place where you can stream audio for free. Some of the HAMs were streaming for a while, but had to give it up due to the cost.

So, good luck, and I certainly hope a lot of you will be able to be SWLs (Short Wave Listeners) and maybe catch the HAM bug, and become licensed amateur operators.

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jeri sexton · Post by **jeri sexton** » 01-01-2003 07:07 PM

Well it's back to the good ole' days for now, if we want to recieve any off the tip of the tongue clue's from Art..

In my experience with S/W radio, when Art was not on the Air with Clear Channel Commercials for 30 minutes an hour.. (first retirement)
I think it was Jimbo' the riverman ham that started putting out information for us pirates on how to listen to Art..
Darn i can't remember his call letters.. something like W6OBB in Pahrump, Nev. and the gang was on 3830..
As you have stated in your post above, that info was how we got started.. 'Get a shortwave receiver'.. which i did, here in San Diego it was clear sailing as far as reception..
I strung a wire, like the guys said, plugged in and listened..I also put a recorder to the radio so i could repeat what was being said.. and post to the radio room..
Then as things progressed.. Hams got more into our needs and streamed for people on the net..
That was great, cuz most interested parties could then listen in..

Now since we are all in the same boat again,(the USS Fantastic')with no voice from the high desert on commercial radio.. we need to resort back the the shortwave band..

Now if only i knew what i was doing.. which i don't.. I'ed try to set us up with a stream, and help out, making it my new' hobby, instead of casinoing.. So i guess i'll try and see what needs to be done.. but i know some folks out there riding the s/w airways could hold our hands and lead us along this journey..

All i know is that i need to put up another wire.. as i took the ole one down when Art came back to c2c.. listen in, record the night, and post what is being said, almost live..
Actually i got into trouble with some of my postings as Orv.. the big guy from Sacremento s/w, was so outspoken on some subjects.. But we learn along the way, right..

Anyhow just wanted to add my nickels' worth while we lay in wait.. lol

Kali · Post by **Kali** » 01-01-2003 08:51 PM

Art's call sign is W6OBB (old broken back).

As for Orv, he is not on and will not go to 3840 - by his own choosing.

There are probably about six or seven regulars on 3840, and some nights, there's a bunch more.

In addition to W6OBB, you'll hear KD7BCW, KD7KAU, W7PD, KI6GU, WA7JL, occasionally KC0HLX (mobile - somewhere). Those are the fairly regulars on the frequency. There are many others that appear on a semi-regular basis, like KQ6XA, and others too numerous to remember.

They'll probably all be on the air tonight, so Jeri - go string a wire and listen in.

benner · Post by **benner** » 01-01-2003 11:41 PM

Hey thanks for the info all. The streaming costs will not be an issue as I would stream off my internet connection.

I will try to set up an antenna, but this will not happen before spring unfortunately. If anyone else is going to try this and needs help on the computer end, I may be able to help with linux/win issues, and with software.

lonevoice · Post by **lonevoice** » 01-02-2003 04:09 AM

I hope some of you are really able to figure out how to do this. SW radio is something I'd never considered until some AB fans at Keith Rowland's forum started posting about how you could hear Art on SW. Now I'm about ready to buy my first SW radio.

Vert · Post by **Vert** » 01-02-2003 05:27 AM

I don't really understand this stuff, so is it only possible to listen to them, or can you speak to them too? Anyone want to link me to a site that explains this art to me, or mind giving me a short tutorial on the workings?

Thanks,

-ES