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Gay Marriage.....

Post by Live365 » 06-17-2008 07:28 PM

It seems that California, the most libral State in the Country, can't support Gay marriage. Supreme Court passed it, but people still protest it.

Why?

I really would like to hear the Pirate opinion on Gay marriage.

I, obviously, support it. Would like to hear yer thoughts.........
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Post by vrpodpilot » 06-17-2008 07:47 PM

My perspective on this issue doesn't fall squarely into the pro and con camps out there. I don't agree with it but not for the reasons normally given by the religious right. I'm not sure how far I'm willing to go down this Political Road. For me it's more political posturing instead of morality. That's a tough shark pool to jump into.

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Post by Live365 » 06-17-2008 07:56 PM

vrpodpilot wrote: My perspective on this issue doesn't fall squarely into the pro and con camps out there. I don't agree with it but not for the reasons normally given by the religious right.


Thank you for yer response, vrpodpilot. Your opinion will always be respected here. But I am curious about your above response, as you didn't really elaborate. Would you care to? What were your reasons?

And believe me. I have already deemed this thread a safe haven, and will report any ugliness to the Mods and Linnea. Please speak freely.......
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Post by Jon-Marcus » 06-17-2008 07:58 PM

I don't really have much of a stance on this other than; if two people, consenting adults, want to get married...let 'em. No skin off my nose, and in no way effects my own marriage. Love is love.
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Post by Live365 » 06-17-2008 08:00 PM

If all people thought like you Jon-Marcus..............

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Post by Psychicwolf » 06-17-2008 09:15 PM

Jon-Marcus wrote: I don't really have much of a stance on this other than; if two people, consenting adults, want to get married...let 'em. No skin off my nose, and in no way effects my own marriage. Love is love.


Exactly my thoughts. California is having a vote in November to possibly amend the state Constitution to describe marriage as between a man and a woman. According to reports on the news and friends in Cali, it's running about 50/50. So all of these marriages may end up null and void if the amendment passes. Why inflict that much more pain on these couples?
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Post by vrpodpilot » 06-17-2008 09:31 PM

Let me first say I believe in Heavenly Father but I don't believe in Religion.

Secondly, History tells the stories of many civilizations, from birth to death. They each followed a common thread, from humility and adherence, to abscence of humility and adherence, for the rules from a divinity. Wheter myth or real, the priesthood set down rules for the society, based upon alleged prophecy.

The basis of all the rules of divinity, in successful civilizations, is the architectural plan of human interaction with one another in that society. Each individual is a building block that is bonded to another creating a greater whole.

1 - The Individual, 2 - The Family of the Individual, 3 - The Village of the Family, and so forth unto the Leader of the Society. These Civilizations are like Pyramids with Individuals and Families providing a strong base.

If these basic building blocks are shuffled about in a pattern not specific to the original design of the Pyramid, the base is weakened and support from bottom to top is not linear.

Part 3, Here comes the political part.

Societies always compete or war against one another, for supremacy. Each society is concerned with it's strength, as provided by natural resources. (I won't go into Leadership Greed).

If you want to weaken a society, you destroy the linear support by introducing new archetype patterns to the base that are not specific to the original rules of divinity. The pyramid will soon collapse into smaller pyramids governed by the Differences of the individual building blocks.

Once in a weakened state the small societies are easily sweep away by the stronger competing societies. Then the victorious society destroys all the building blocks that don't match it's basic pattern of divinity and incorporates the balance into it's structure.

When I look at America I see two powers competing for supremacy. One is Socialism, the other Facsism. Neither are based upon our original social rules plan. Both of these powers, in my opinion, have been introducing a new shuffle to the building block's arrangements, making us weak as a whole.

We are becoming several small societies, and we are weak and will be swept away soon.

No, I don't have the answers as to what is right and wrong, but I am very concerned about our survival.

And, No! I don't think Gay Marriage will cause our downfall, but I see it with many many other enlightenments as a contributing factor.

We are very arrogant to believe we can escape our collapse when all previous civilizations attempting new patterns has failed.

I might as well bring up my position on homosexuality now. I use to think it was a lifestyle choice, and in some situations I think that is still true. BUT,

In my previous life as a protection specialist, I was in charge of a 12 man squad. One of those men was a female. In that life I knew each of them and their families, very well. This is a requirement to protect against internal threats. Each of them knew me just as well because they had to trust my decisions.

We were a strange kind of family, very tight. They would discuss intimate problems with me, because I was the father figure or leader.

One night I was intercepted and I listened at length to the relationship woes of one of the men. She was having the standard man problems with her girlfriend. Basically couldn't relate to the illogical nature of women. I counseled her just as I would any other man (I don't understand women either!:D Just kidding and Not).

But I left that encounter with a different opinion of what homosexuality was, because I was talking to a man in a female body. As a side note, I knew I could totally count on her taking a bullet, if required.

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Post by Live365 » 06-17-2008 09:43 PM

vrpodpilot wrote:
One night I was intercepted and I listened at length to the relationship woes of one of the men. She was having the standard man problems with her girlfriend. Basically couldn't relate to the illogical nature of women. I counseled her just as I would any other man (I don't understand women either!:D Just kidding and Not).

But I left that encounter with a different opinion of what homosexuality was, because I was talking to a man in a female body. As a side note, I knew I could totally count on her taking a bullet, if required.


:D

Classic.

If I've misinterpreted this please let me know, but I, too, am utterly convinced that homosexuality is biological in origin.

Afeter all, why would any one choose? To be this different?

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Post by OMG » 06-17-2008 11:25 PM

I wish gay marriage can be offical when a Dem Prez gets in, so you can have an entire term of the ability to marry gay people. Because I really think that the more it happens, I think the people who might be on the fence or not even have an opinon on it (you'll never get to the ultra hateful religious types) will start looking at it and view it and understand what most of the people who do know gay people think, that they are just like anyone else. The stereotype of the gay parade is just not the type of people I see getting married, its the two women with their hair semi-graying who's been life partners for decades who think now they finally have something offical and acceptiong of their relationship. I think the Anti-gay marriage movements want to portray it all as the over-the-top parade people, and I think the more people see that the gay community has the same type of "look" and personality as straight people you know, that's when acceptance happens.

It's not a coincidence that communities that have the large gay communities have the most acceptance from straights towards gay marriage. I compare it a lot to race, once you are around people that are "different" than you, all of this misreprsentations out there goes away. If you'd ask me to discribe friends that are gay I would answer "Boringly normal" with different personalities and attitudes,I have similar feelings about my straight friends. But I would guess most of the people in the anti-gay protest never knew a gay person, yet feel the right to decide if they have the right to marry.

There is something really backwards while other countries protest oil prices, wars and government corruption, we are still worried about gay marriage.

Looking at the list of overseas countries around the world that allow gay marriage and you have the Netherlands, Belguim, Spain, and South Africa (not counting civil unions which is in over a dozen countries in Europe) but if you just want to look at full gay marriage, for me those countries seem like nice places to visit, and a comfort level I would think to live in with their people and govenment. You know what's really messed up, some of the most vocal places here that are agaisnt gay marriage and not want to join nations like I listed above but rather have and support stuff like the death penalty so they can be like countries like Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Pakistian and Saudi Arabia . I would take a wild gues that these countries don't have the most progresive views on same sex marriages either.

I don't want to turn this to another debate on another subject. But as a nation who loves to claim "We're number one!" lets look around and see who we consider other "top contenders" as well to best country and look at their views on subjects like this and why are they differnt than ours, and even more telling why are countries that we go to war with because we think they are evil turn out that we have similar attitudes to things? Progressive is the word, time to go forward and I think I'll have a lovely time in the first list of nations I mentioned and join them rather than the countries that seem the Conservatives in this land seem to rather follow.

As I am writing this I just heard that Norway just accepted gay marriage, that's great for them :) Go figure another respected, well to do country deciding gay marriage is okay.

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Post by rumike » 06-17-2008 11:44 PM

I think the more diversity the better, and gay marriage encourages diversity. Diversity strongly correlates with high standards of living (check out the book Rise of the Creative Class) by Richard Florida. Plus, I think people have the right to pursue happiness...
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Post by vigo » 06-18-2008 01:09 AM

Jon-Marcus wrote: I don't really have much of a stance on this other than; if two people, consenting adults, want to get married...let 'em. No skin off my nose, and in no way effects my own marriage. Love is love.


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Post by Iris » 06-18-2008 01:39 AM

Happy tears for all the newlyweds! :)

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Post by Bobbi Snow » 06-18-2008 02:50 AM

I, for one, have never figured out why anyone can say that marrying two people in love is a threat to all marriages who are of separate genders. I love my husband... and the gay people who live next door got married today; we attended a BIG BASH for them tonight, at their house. They have two children; one is half biological, and the other is adopted. These people have been together for 12 years, and are a stable family of our neighborhood. In an emergency, you couldn't ask for better and more caring people.

If we can only learn to look BEYOND what our "upbringing" tells is is 'the norm'... then perhaps we can outgrow this discriminatory cancer that consumes so many of us.

We think the KKK is bad??? If we can say two people in love don't have the right to marry each other legally, we are doing them just as much of a disservice as the KKK does to those against whom they discriminate.
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Post by Shirleypal » 06-18-2008 09:18 AM

Good post Bobbi, I could write a rant here on my feelings about this and as you stated the cancer in our society, but do believe that it is a small segment of this society who sadly get all the attention by our out of control mass media who are part of the problem and not the solution, where have all the investigative journalists gone whose only purpose was to bring us the truth. Also agree how anyone could think the straight community is threatened by "love". Congratulations to all gay couples out there who finally are able to marry.:)

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Post by Live365 » 06-18-2008 09:51 AM

Thank you for these fabulous responses. This is going to make for great reading at lunch. Iris, that picture literally made me weep -- out of a joyful sense of sadness. Imagine how long they've been in love. Imagine how long they had to hide it. God bless them.......
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