Breaking: 22 Dead In Va. Tech Shootings

Iris · Post by **Iris** » 04-21-2007 08:02 PM

It's my understanding that the photo was on Wikipedia, and it was identified as Cho. It sounded like it appeared right after Cho was identified, then was quickly taken back down. Alex Jones is asking if anyone can identify the other man in the photo so he can get more information.

Joolz · Post by **Joolz** » 04-21-2007 08:09 PM

Iris wrote: It's my understanding that the photo was on Wikipedia, and it was identified as Cho. It sounded like it appeared right after Cho was identified, then was quickly taken back down. Alex Jones is asking if anyone can identify the other man in the photo so he can get more information.

OK. Thanks, Iris. I like Wikipedia, but it is not generally thought of as a reputable source (due to its open editability by anyone), so I guess I will reserve judgment on this. Where it came from is important in determining its validity, IMO.

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 04-22-2007 11:15 AM

Biker wrote: Mesloh doesn't know what he's talking about. The 9mm Para Bellum is the caliber of the standard sidearm of not only the US Army, but most countries in the world. While not a powerhouse of a cartridge, it is adequate for the intended mission.
I own four Glocks including the Glock 19 used in the killings. It is a very efficient self defense handgun.
Adiitionally, most if not all of the victims were shot at least three times according to the ME and a 60% fatality rate is average for hangun shootings. In this case, the fatality rate would likely have been lower if the Life Flight helicpters hadn't been grounded due to high winds.
It doesn't take a highly trained killer to accurately put lead into helpless people at bad breath range.

Biker

Biker isn't the Glock pretty much the gun of choice for the FBI and the CIA ?

Biker · Post by **Biker** » 04-22-2007 11:42 AM

Some agencies allow their personal to pick their own weapons - especially undercover - but Glocks are carried nationwide by many, many law enforcement agencies.
Why? Because they work.
Many civies like myself carry them because they simply work. My G23 has fired over 23,000 rounds without a single malfunction of any kind. It's the gun I compete with (used to anyway).
I think I get what you're saying, and although I enjoy a good conspiricy as much as anyone, in this case I think that Cho was just a homicidal nutjob who did a bit of internet research and some range time/ training, then killed 32 people for no good reason at all.
Chaos begs for a rational explanation among rational people, but sometimes there is not one to be found.
Some people are just plain bad.

Biker

Biker · Post by **Biker** » 04-22-2007 12:16 PM

Correction time for Biker...I stated earlier that a 60% fatality rate was average for handgun shootings. Actually, the opposite is true - 60% *survive*.
I must be getting dyslexic. I'm also an insomniac.
Sometimes I lay awake at night wondering whether or not there is a Dog.

Biker:D

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 04-22-2007 01:21 PM

Biker wrote: I think I get what you're saying,
Biker

Just asked a question, Biker, not implying anything. Actually when I bought my Beretta Custom 9mm I was thinking about a Glock, and thats where I heard that. The guy told me not to get a Glock because of the back flash that happens in the dark. Unless your used to it, he said that can be dangerous. Since you are a Glock owner I was asking you, thats all

Biker · Post by **Biker** » 04-22-2007 01:45 PM

I think the guy was just trying to sell you a gun.

Muzzle flash is the same from gun to gun given the same barrel length and lack of porting.
Your Beretta is also a fine handgun.
I've done a lot of training in low light situations and 'otherwise' and muzzle flash is a very over rated concern.

Congrats on your carry piece.

Biker:)

avi · Post by **avi** » 04-22-2007 06:20 PM

reverse speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_mcTkehSEs

did you notice that his ears, eyebrows, distance of his eyes and jaws don't match in the different photos???

How weird is that?

What happened to the Asian guy the Cops wrestled to the ground at the beginning of the news???

avi · Post by **avi** » 04-22-2007 06:30 PM

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... 8-details/ 'Over%2030%20dead'%20in%20Virginia%20campus%20shooting/article.do

Has pic of Asian guy on the ground with Cop holding him down.

avi · Post by **avi** » 04-22-2007 06:32 PM

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... article.do

I'm having difficulty hyperlinking it. Sorry.

Corvid · Post by **Corvid** » 04-22-2007 06:38 PM

Biker wrote: I think the guy was just trying to sell you a gun.

Muzzle flash is the same from gun to gun given the same barrel length and lack of porting.
Your Beretta is also a fine handgun.
I've done a lot of training in low light situations and 'otherwise' and muzzle flash is a very over rated concern.

Congrats on your carry piece.

Biker:)

If I recall correctly (doubtful), didn't the US military switch from the 1911 Colt .45 to the 9 mm Beretta about twenty some odd years ago?

I don't know what the standard side arm is now.... probably something electronic and fussy.

Iris · Post by **Iris** » 04-22-2007 06:50 PM

Joolz wrote: OK. Thanks, Iris. I like Wikipedia, but it is not generally thought of as a reputable source (due to its open editability by anyone), so I guess I will reserve judgment on this. Where it came from is important in determining its validity, IMO.

I certainly agree with you.

We know so little about Cho's past, and I don't know what you heard, but I watched a lot of TV coverage and found it really strange that the quesion about any gun training he had was never asked, never covered. He obviously had some, whether it was just plinking on the range with his papa, or whether he was in ROTC or who knows what. Yet I didn't personally hear the subject broached on TV -- though it sure has been discussed on forums. That little short TV video I posted the URL to is all I know about. I do think it's a valid question and I found it strange that in hours and hours of TV reporting it was never a focus that I saw, anyway.

Biker · Post by **Biker** » 04-22-2007 06:55 PM

Yup, they switched to the Beretta 92 FB and still use it. It's a good weapon.
When it comes to semi autos, I just prefer Glocks.
Having said that, my main carry gun is a Taurus 450 - a 17 oz, 5 shot magnaported Titanium revolver in .45 Long Colt, although I often carry my Glock in cold weather when heavily clothed.

Biker

Raggedyann · Post by **Raggedyann** » 04-22-2007 09:40 PM

Dr. William Massello, the assistant medical examiner based in Roanoke, said pathologists have sent blood samples for toxicology testing to determine if Cho was on drugs at the time of his rampage. It could take as long as two weeks to get the results of those tests, he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18261130/

Biker · Post by **Biker** » 04-22-2007 09:54 PM

Just a WAG, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a crank freak.

Biker