Has anyone noticed an increase in Cuban music on radio?

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Yes, this is another polarizing topic...

Post by Lord Moon » 08-06-2006 09:58 PM

But I do agree that playing more Cuban music is a great idea....

Then maybe people will want to dance instead of fight...

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Re: Yes, this is another polarizing topic...

Post by SETIsLady » 08-06-2006 10:11 PM

Lord Moon wrote: But I do agree that playing more Cuban music is a great idea....

Then maybe people will want to dance instead of fight...
There you go LM, thats the best thing I have heard in a long time :D

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Post by Divinorumus » 08-06-2006 10:17 PM

Yes, more music. Come on now everyone, again, we have enough to fear in this world. Cuba is an easy situation to deal with. Certainly they are all smart enough now to realize the opportunity soon before them. There will be a change of venue and a change of heart within that nation .. and it's new leaders ... just as foreseen within the ussr, the same can be envisioned happening within cuba. No war! This could become an opportunity for great celebration as the new leadership there realizes the unique opportunity soon available to them, and the futility of resistance!!! .. All will be freed ... and there will be peace ... as new opportunities will be realized! Let us just imagine them all and avoid creating anything bad here too ... Seriously, I wouldn't mind going there for vacation next summer for a week or two - but that is up to them now to decide!!! I think they are smart enough to realize all this too ...

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Viva la matrix!
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Post by Ninerism » 08-07-2006 11:15 AM

Divinorumus wrote: Yes, more music. Come on now everyone, again, we have enough to fear in this world. Cuba is an easy situation to deal with. Certainly they are all smart enough now to realize the opportunity soon before them. There will be a change of venue and a change of heart within that nation .. and it's new leaders ... just as foreseen within the ussr, the same can be envisioned happening within cuba. No war! This could become an opportunity for great celebration as the new leadership there realizes the unique opportunity soon available to them, and the futility of resistance!!! .. All will be freed ... and there will be peace ... as new opportunities will be realized! Let us just imagine them all and avoid creating anything bad here too ... Seriously, I wouldn't mind going there for vacation next summer for a week or two - but that is up to them now to decide!!! I think they are smart enough to realize all this too ...

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Viva la matrix!


Divinorumus, I do like positive thinkers, and so your thinking is hard for me to resist. I'd love for Cubans in Cuba to embrace real democratic principles, not just the Cubans here who do love the freedoms we are desperately trying to sustain.

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Post by Ninerism » 08-07-2006 12:04 PM

joequinn wrote: Have you people noticed just how ready for Bay of Pigs II Little Havana in Miami has become? And did you notice Condi's remark that now would be a fine time for the Cuban people to rise up against the Castro regime?

I am certainly no apologist for Fidel Castro, who has committed numerous human rights violations, but the cold fact of the matter is that the Cuban people support him just as firmly in 2006 as they did in 1959 and in 1961. Cuba has one of the very highest literacy rates in the world (higher than America), one of the finest general practice health care systems in the world (much better than America), and one of the lowest AIDS infection rates in the world (much lower than America).

The Cuban people know this, and Little Havana knows this as well! And when Castro finally does die, you will see a Mariel-refugee-exodus in reverse as the Jeb-loving fascist Cubans swarm back to Havana under the protection of massive Amerikan air power (no April of 1961 now!). And then Cuba will be liberated, once again! The mafiosi and the spooks will turn Havana back into the playground of the Caribbean; the Cuban people will be enslaved once more; and in a generation the Cuban people themselves will have forgotten why they had to support Castro back in 1959... :(


Joe Quinn, very poignant comments, as always.

Well, Cuba would be ripe for those "investors" from, say, NEW YORK, and oh, yes, LAS VEGAS, too!

It was the downfall of Cuban casinos that provided the rise in Ameirca's casinos, as seen in Las Vegas. Strange histories never revealed.

Let's not let the INDIANS, and Jack Abramoff, and RALPH REED, go to Cuba, ok?! If Ralph Reed asks for his Cuban passport, watch out.

On the bright side, RUSH will have one less controlled substance that he will have to worry about, ie, Cuban cigars.

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PS RALPH REED, what a phoney balooney "religious" guy. He lost in Georgia, his own home state. Good riddance to bad rubish, that little dumpling!

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Post by Divinorumus » 08-07-2006 08:39 PM

... think of the children ... This was such a cute picture I found had to share ..
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... hoto5.html (I see more than a few of those starchildren in there - ha - you can tell who is leader by her smile ... the way she smiles ... she knows ... )
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Post by Iris » 08-07-2006 10:04 PM

Niner, I don't think I've ever heard Cuban music or would recognize it if I did hear it. I just want the best for the Cuban people, and peace.
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Post by moonchild2 » 08-08-2006 11:22 PM

Iris wrote: Niner, I don't think I've ever heard Cuban music or would recognize it if I did hear it. I just want the best for the Cuban people, and peace.


Agreed! They will only find peace if they are left alone to decide to their own destiny.

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Post by HB3 » 08-08-2006 11:35 PM

They have very nice shoes.

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Post by Ninerism » 08-09-2006 10:06 AM

HB3 wrote: They have very nice shoes.


HA HA Dancing shoes, perhaps, too? And some for Lord Moon, too. Dancing feet are not fighting feet.

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Post by Ninerism » 08-09-2006 10:17 AM

Iris wrote: Niner, I don't think I've ever heard Cuban music or would recognize it if I did hear it. I just want the best for the Cuban people, and peace.


Iris, last night I happened to watch a movie from Cuba, 'Strawberry & Chocolate' 1993, about an artsy writer who happened to be gay, and the oppression he experienced while residing in Cuba.

He loved his homeland, wanted to make Cuba better and fought hard to educate the younger generations. But finally,he felt, in order for him to experience artistic freedom AND his own personal needs to be fulfilled as a gay man, that he had to leave Cuba. He was deeply hurt that his life-style was extremely oppressed and officially disdained by the Cuban regime.

He finally found it all too oppressive, and filed his case for moving to the United States.

There was some incredible music in that film -- 'Farewell To Cuba' I think that was the name of one musician's song written, as he found he could no longer reside in that repressive environment. Well, that music was very beautiful and very sad.

What I found disturbing, is that there was a constant sense by those in the know, that if they expressed liberal or progressive values that their lives were in constant surveillance, even by neighbor against neighbor.

There were constant indoctrination programs sponsored by the government. I really had not thought of Cuba in that way.

Also, the very old buildings, in terrible states of ruination, was disturbing to see. The olde cars, old taxis, were mostly in good repair, but sure looked old and quaint!

Obviously, social-communism does not work very well, and it is mostly by authoritarianism, even though the people enjoy being fed, clothed, basically housed, and mostly educated -- they are quite literate! It looked like a lifestyle of complete servitude, and people always made fearful to really speak their mind.

The little scummy uneducated lifeless neighbors, one's who never had a real thought of their own, the one's with nothing else to do but make other's lives miserable by always surrying about and spying upon their own neighbors, well, that film to me emphasized how wretched becomes a society in which the little monsters can so easily prey upon the most educated and creative people. It was as if the scummiest people were promoted for being veritable scorpion-vampires, feeding upon other's creativities and sucking their energy, immersed in their own miseries and constantly seeking to sting and poison other's lives with their trumped-up self-importance as little spies. Those scorpion-vampires sting came from government police, eager to spy upon and arrest any who stepped out of line. It's a miserable existence, no matter how authoritarianism attempts to dress-up and posture and pose itself.

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Post by HB3 » 08-09-2006 10:42 AM

Here's a clip from a slate.com article on the most annoying "cult of che"....a friend of my "ex" wrote this movie, so I got to be exposed to this mentality a little bit....

The hipsters and apologists never mention, for instance, Che's institutionalized hatred for homosexuals...Allen Ginsberg got himself in serious hot water for casually referring to Che as "cute" while visiting Cuba....


The Cult of Che
Don't applaud The Motorcycle Diaries.
By Paul Berman

Posted Friday, Sept. 24, 2004, at 7:33 AM ET

The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …"— and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracy—a tragedy on the hugest scale.

The present-day cult of Che—the T-shirts, the bars, the posters—has succeeded in obscuring this dreadful reality. And Walter Salles' movie The Motorcycle Diaries will now take its place at the heart of this cult. It has already received a standing ovation at Robert Redford's Sundance film festival (Redford is the executive producer of The Motorcycle Diaries) and glowing admiration in the press. Che was an enemy of freedom, and yet he has been erected into a symbol of freedom. He helped establish an unjust social system in Cuba and has been erected into a symbol of social justice. He stood for the ancient rigidities of Latin-American thought, in a Marxist-Leninist version, and he has been celebrated as a free-thinker and a rebel. And thus it is in Salles' Motorcycle Diaries.
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 08-09-2006 10:46 AM

still no "Cuban" music -- get caribbean music - probably close enough to other music of the areas -- TheBahamanian music - lots of steel drums and a calipso beat...

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Post by SETIsLady » 08-09-2006 10:48 AM

Niner, I am curious, have you not read anything I have written about my husbands life, his family, his fathers days in prision as well as current family members sill living in Cuba ?

Your post is being kind to regarding how it is to live in Cuba.

Castro is a evil brutal man that rations his peoples food, send the medicine needed for the poor in his Country to Bolivia. as well as things that I will not go into again here. Yes the well off in Cuba, those close to Castro are well taken care of. After all you have to have something to show the rest of the world.

Again these I things I know as fact, these are things I deal with daily. The day my family can feed themselves without my assistance, then I know they are on their way to freedom.

He is evil, evil, evil. And all I can say is good riddance when he goes !!

Don't have time to get into Che right now, I have a meeting but will later.

Back to topic Cuban music is great soaked in history, I personally find it uplifting at times and depressing at others, but I would never remove it from my life. Alot of Culture in the music, and I highly recommend the Buena Social Vista Club to anyone that is interested in learning more about the music. Celia Cruz is another great Cuban Artist.
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Post by Ninerism » 08-09-2006 11:14 AM

SETIsLady wrote: Niner, I am curious, have you not read anything I have written about my husbands life, his family, his fathers days in prision as well as current family members sill living in Cuba ?

Your post is being kind to regarding how it is to live in Cuba.

Castro is a evil brutal man that rations his peoples food, send the medicine needed for the poor in his Country to Bolivia. as well as things that I will not go into again here. Yes the well off in Cuba, those close to Castro are well taken care of. After all you have to have something to show the rest of the world.

Again these I things I know as fact, these are things I deal with daily. The day my family can feed themselves without my assistance, then I know they are on their way to freedom.

He is evil, evil, evil. And all I can say is good riddance when he goes !!

Don't have time to get into Che right now, I have a meeting but will later.

Back to topic Cuban music is great soaked in history, I personally find it uplifting at times and depressing at others, but I would never remove it from my life. Alot of Culture in the music, and I highly recommend the Buena Social Vista Club to anyone that is interested in learning more about the music. Celia Cruz is another great Cuban Artist.


SETIsLady, sorry to say, no I had not, until reading your alarming post above.

I have never sought to "romanticize" Castro, that's for certain.

I would agree, even though not knowing Fidel Castro, that his ideology, to me, personifies an evil-hearted totalitarian dictator.

In my post, I was only seeking to address that scorpion-vampire personality -- which to me is also destructive, and evil -- although it is at the lowest rung of the ladder which supports totalitarianism.

I appreciate your letting me know, as I had not read any of your postings about Cuba, etc., sorry to say to you.

I am further shocked to read HB3's posting above. I was very ill-informed as to the real significance of 'Che' posters and t-shirts which I have seen in various movies in recent years!

I had sensed that there was a cult imagery about Che, but did not know it was being actualized in presenting his barbarous/muerderous ways
as a romantic figure out to save humanity -- which is totally askew, obviously, from the realities about his life.

It's shocking to know that a man of Redford's film-stature, etc., would endorse Che as a man for all times, if that is the case, and have no reason to doubt what HB3 is telling us above. So, this is very disturbing to know that Che is being presented as some sort of "freedom fighter", when in fact Che promote death and destruction.

Does anyone that has compassion in their life, want to see more 'VIETNAMS'?! What a shocking sentiment. Doesn't Robert Redford know what Che means by that statement?! 'THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES', well, that movie has got to be some romancing of a very nasty-minded evil-thinking man. I had no idea to the extent a culthood had been promoted around Che G., until reading HB3's posting.

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