The Democratic party is really two parties:
1.) The old-style Dems currently not in power
2.) The corporatist DNC Dems
The Republican party is really two parties:
1.) The old-style Reps currently not in power
2.) The corporatist neocon Reps
My question to Dems and Reps alike is can you identify which current congresscritters (House, Senate, Governors) are which? It is my fervent belief/observation that the old-style folks on both sides are the best and that we need to get away from the corporate-owned pigs.
So which do you think is which, and in which party?
Serious question for ALL
Moderator: Super Moderators
Serious question for ALL
We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin
Yes Iris I agree
I tend to think the old syle party members are middle of the roaders.....
I agree, the old style politicans are the best.
For me, even though I'm a conservative, it wouldn't matter which party as long they present the best ideas to me and the american people. Although I would somewhat favor the conservatives.
For me, even though I'm a conservative, it wouldn't matter which party as long they present the best ideas to me and the american people. Although I would somewhat favor the conservatives.
Last edited by Starbuck on 05-08-2006 03:36 AM, edited 1 time in total.
What we need -- from both sides -- in November, and again in 2008 is integrity. Someone who won't sell out. And I think it's important for us to realize up front that this won't be who the corporate powers will fund, or who the corporate media will sell to the public. If we are to get worthwhile men and women into office, it's going to take people being informed. So I think it's important that we figure out what we're doing, get wise to what they could do in trying to swing things their way, and make sure our friends and families are also aware.
Case in point: I watched what happened in 2004 and it really rocked me back on my heels. I won't forget what I saw.
Howard Dean was the frontrunner among Democrats with a very powerful message -- the war is wrong; the political system needs profound reform. Above all, and something that would have really made a huge difference for this country, as governor, Dean insisted on balancing the budget in Vermont above all else. He refused to fund social programs without making sure the state could pay its bills first. He was a rock-solid fiscal conservative. The bulk of his funding came not from gee-whiz corporations, but from individual donors on the Internet.
Dean had an overwhelming amount of support, because he knew that many Democrats were more upset with the Democrats than they were with the Republicans.
Nobody I knew anywhere, either in person or on the web, was talking about wanting Kerry.
All of a sudden, bingo-bango, Howard is persona non grata, and Kerry is shoved to the forefront. It happened so fast it made your head spin, and it was a definite, obvious, and intense media ploy. Did you ever see anything like that in your life? Well, maybe George Wallace.
Dean's mistakes? Well, it certainly didn't have anything to do with his rebel yell, or his supposed temper, or anything else the media pundits blamed it on. You know the media could have run with anything against Dean, but you had to know that separating all the crowd noise out from that yell and then playing it a kazillion times to make Dean look goofy was a really sick ploy. I mean, c'mon, let's talk about a candidate's record -- something substantial. It was SO obvious. He was never called passionate, or hot-headed, or anything like that when he was governor.
But why did they destroy him? He angered the the media. They picked on him, and he picked back at them, and this went on for months.
But his most fatal mistake was that he angered the DNC. He was his own man, and he wasn't going to play along like a good little puppet on a string; can't have that, oh no. He refused to bow in deference to the party bigwigs.
In short, they hated him for everything that the voters loved him for.
In the end, the voters bought the media ploy hook, line and sinker, and went into the primaries thinking that Dean didn't have a chance and that Kerry was the only one who did. This whole "electability" thing is very much a media creation, you understand. It was amazing that this hatchet job was done so quickly and so obviously, and yet most people appeared not to catch on. The reporters who did it are still chuckling over it privately, so I hear.
And in the end, Dean sold out when he became the head of the corporate-dominated DNC.
I'm hoping that this time people on both sides of the coin will be very alert to this, will do their own homework, and won't let the media tell them what to think or who to vote for. It's a longshot, I know, but we can raise consciousness. And remember, this sort of thing happens with candidates in both parties; the media, and the DNC and RNC promote who they like, and they like the corporate-friendly candidates, when what America really needs is the mavericks with the fresh ideas and the intact morals.
It's not too early to do our homework. With November coming up, this is a perfect time to start. I think it's important to make sure our families and friends understand that the media will try to steer our votes in ways which probably won't be the best for us.
So let's get down to brass tacks. Who do YOU all think is "clean" and why? Doesn't matter if you list Dems or Reps, let's share our ideas on this.
Case in point: I watched what happened in 2004 and it really rocked me back on my heels. I won't forget what I saw.
Howard Dean was the frontrunner among Democrats with a very powerful message -- the war is wrong; the political system needs profound reform. Above all, and something that would have really made a huge difference for this country, as governor, Dean insisted on balancing the budget in Vermont above all else. He refused to fund social programs without making sure the state could pay its bills first. He was a rock-solid fiscal conservative. The bulk of his funding came not from gee-whiz corporations, but from individual donors on the Internet.
Dean had an overwhelming amount of support, because he knew that many Democrats were more upset with the Democrats than they were with the Republicans.
Nobody I knew anywhere, either in person or on the web, was talking about wanting Kerry.
All of a sudden, bingo-bango, Howard is persona non grata, and Kerry is shoved to the forefront. It happened so fast it made your head spin, and it was a definite, obvious, and intense media ploy. Did you ever see anything like that in your life? Well, maybe George Wallace.
Dean's mistakes? Well, it certainly didn't have anything to do with his rebel yell, or his supposed temper, or anything else the media pundits blamed it on. You know the media could have run with anything against Dean, but you had to know that separating all the crowd noise out from that yell and then playing it a kazillion times to make Dean look goofy was a really sick ploy. I mean, c'mon, let's talk about a candidate's record -- something substantial. It was SO obvious. He was never called passionate, or hot-headed, or anything like that when he was governor.
But why did they destroy him? He angered the the media. They picked on him, and he picked back at them, and this went on for months.
But his most fatal mistake was that he angered the DNC. He was his own man, and he wasn't going to play along like a good little puppet on a string; can't have that, oh no. He refused to bow in deference to the party bigwigs.
In short, they hated him for everything that the voters loved him for.
In the end, the voters bought the media ploy hook, line and sinker, and went into the primaries thinking that Dean didn't have a chance and that Kerry was the only one who did. This whole "electability" thing is very much a media creation, you understand. It was amazing that this hatchet job was done so quickly and so obviously, and yet most people appeared not to catch on. The reporters who did it are still chuckling over it privately, so I hear.
And in the end, Dean sold out when he became the head of the corporate-dominated DNC.
I'm hoping that this time people on both sides of the coin will be very alert to this, will do their own homework, and won't let the media tell them what to think or who to vote for. It's a longshot, I know, but we can raise consciousness. And remember, this sort of thing happens with candidates in both parties; the media, and the DNC and RNC promote who they like, and they like the corporate-friendly candidates, when what America really needs is the mavericks with the fresh ideas and the intact morals.
It's not too early to do our homework. With November coming up, this is a perfect time to start. I think it's important to make sure our families and friends understand that the media will try to steer our votes in ways which probably won't be the best for us.
So let's get down to brass tacks. Who do YOU all think is "clean" and why? Doesn't matter if you list Dems or Reps, let's share our ideas on this.
Last edited by Iris on 05-08-2006 05:33 AM, edited 1 time in total.
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Good question, don't know if there are any good answers.
There are some of the old timers (both in age and time in office) who have done good things, but have also caved into the "party line" on both major parties.
There's a freshman from this area Cleaver - not my personal rep, a democrat, a minister, former mayor, who actually returns to the area quite often - keeps in touch with the people who elected him. He also seeks CIVILITY from his fellow congress people. I like that attitude. My rep - dem - Skelton sometimes does things I don't like (and he gets an eyefull or ear full if in the area).
I like what NEWT was doing back in the 90s - so ok not too happy with his personal life - but had some terrific ideas.
I think in order to decide likes and dislikes one would have to look at - voting records, personal life, ideas that mesh with one's own beliefs... etc. because I don't think any congress critter would be 100% to anyone here as far as like/dislike.
There are some of the old timers (both in age and time in office) who have done good things, but have also caved into the "party line" on both major parties.
There's a freshman from this area Cleaver - not my personal rep, a democrat, a minister, former mayor, who actually returns to the area quite often - keeps in touch with the people who elected him. He also seeks CIVILITY from his fellow congress people. I like that attitude. My rep - dem - Skelton sometimes does things I don't like (and he gets an eyefull or ear full if in the area).
I like what NEWT was doing back in the 90s - so ok not too happy with his personal life - but had some terrific ideas.
I think in order to decide likes and dislikes one would have to look at - voting records, personal life, ideas that mesh with one's own beliefs... etc. because I don't think any congress critter would be 100% to anyone here as far as like/dislike.
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Shirleypal wrote: Governor of Michigan : Jennifer Granholm - Rep.
U.S. Senators: Carl Levin - Dem
Debbie Stabenow - Dem
Representative for Michigan's 12 Congressional District:
Sandy Levin - Dem
Er... Gov Granholm is a Dem
Republican - re·pub·li·can (r-pbl-kn) - political party, which will control part of Congress 2011-2012, undermining the strength of the country - on purpose, in public, without apology or shame - simply for a campaign advantage in 2012.
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I've been researching some subjects that I think will help us separate the corporatists and sell-outs from those of principle and who want to support We the People. You are all welcome to use this information however you like, but I think it's good to know. This may take a few posts.
_________________________
WHO VOTED AGAINST CAFTA?
SENATE
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Not Voting - 1
Lieberman (D-CT) (but we know how he would have voted)
HOUSE
---- NOES 215 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Barrow
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson
Case
Chandler
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Conyers
Costa
Costello
Cramer
Crowley
Cubin
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Foxx
Frank (MA)
Garrett (NJ)
Gonzalez
Goode
Gordon
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herseth
Higgins
Hinchey
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Hoyer
Hunter
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jindal
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kind
Kucinich
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Mack
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matsui
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McCotter
McDermott
McGovern
McHenry
McHugh
McIntyre
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Melancon
Menendez
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Ney
Norwood
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Rehberg
Reyes
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz (PA)
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Simmons
Simpson
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tancredo
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
---- NOT VOTING 2 ---
Davis, Jo Ann
Taylor (NC)
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WHO VOTED AGAINST NAFTA?
SENATE
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bryan (D-NV)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Campbell (D-CO)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Exon (D-NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Ford (D-KY)
Glenn (D-OH)
Heflin (D-AL)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Metzenbaum (D-OH)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Reid (D-NV)
Riegle (D-MI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sasser (D-TN)
Shelby (D-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wofford (D-PA)
Not Voting - 1
Dorgan (D-ND)
HOUSE
(Sorry these are out of alphabetical order)
ABERCROMBIE (D-HI)
GREEN, GENE (D-TX)
POSHARD (D-IL)
ACKERMAN (D-NY)
GUTIERREZ (D-IL)
QUINN (R-NY)
ANDREWS, ROBERT (D-NJ)
HALL, RALPH (D-TX)
RAHALL (D-WV)
ANDREWS, THOMAS (D-ME)
HALL, TONY (D-OH)
RANGEL, CHARLES (D-NY)
APPLEGATE (D-OH)
HAMBURG (D-CA)
RAVENEL (R-SC)
BARCA (D-WI)
HARMAN (D-CA)
REED (D-RI)
BARCIA (D-MI)
HILLIARD (D-AL)
REGULA (R-OH)
BARLOW (D-KY)
HINCHEY (D-NY)
ROEMER (D-IN)
BARRETT, THOMAS (D-WI)
HOCHBRUECKNER (D-NY)
ROGERS (R-KY)
BARTLETT (R-MD)
HOKE (R-OH)
ROS-LEHTINEN (R-FL)
BENTLEY (R-MD)
HOLDEN (D-PA)
ROYCE (R-CA)
BEVILL (D-AL)
HUGHES (D-NJ)
RUSH (D-IL)
BILBRAY (D-NV)
HUNTER (R-CA)
SABO (D-MN)
BILIRAKIS (R-FL)
INGLIS (R-SC)
SANDERS (I-VT)
BISHOP (D-GA)
INHOFE (R-OK)
SANGMEISTER (D-IL)
BLACKWELL (D-PA)
JACOBS (D-IN)
SANTORUM (R-PA)
BLUTE (R-MA)
JOHNSON, TIMOTHY P. (D-SD)
SAXTON (R-NJ)
BONIOR (D-MI)
KANJORSKI (D-PA)
SCHENK (D-CA)
BORSKI (D-PA)
KAPTUR (D-OH)
SCHUMER (D-NY)
BOUCHER (D-VA)
KENNELLY (D-CT)
SCOTT (D-VA)
BROOKS (D-TX)
KILDEE (D-MI)
SERRANO (D-NY)
BROWDER (D-AL)
KINGSTON (R-GA)
SHARP (D-IN)
BROWN, CORRINE (D-FL)
KLECZKA (D-WI)
SHUSTER (R-PA)
BROWN, SHERROD (D-OH)
KLEIN (D-NJ)
SISISKY (D-VA)
BUNNING (R-KY)
KLINK (D-PA)
SLATTERY (D-KS)
BURTON (R-IN)
LAFALCE (D-NY)
SLAUGHTER, LOUISE (D-NY)
BYRNE (D-VA)
LANCASTER (D-NC)
SMITH, CHRISTOPHER (R-NJ)
CANADY (R-FL)
LANTOS (D-CA)
SNOWE (R-ME)
CARR (D-MI)
LAROCCO (D-ID)
SOLOMON (R-NY)
CLAY (D-MO)
LEVIN, SANDER (D-MI)
SPENCE (R-SC)
CLAYTON (D-NC)
LEWIS, JOHN (D-GA)
STARK (D-CA)
CLYBURN (D-SC)
LIPINSKI (D-IL)
STEARNS (R-FL)
COLLINS (R-GA)
LONG (D-IN)
STOKES (D-OH)
COLLINS, BARBARA (D-MI)
MALONEY (D-NY)
STRICKLAND (D-OH)
COLLINS, CARDISS (D-IL)
MANTON (D-NY)
STUPAK (D-MI)
CONDIT (D-CA)
MEZVINSKY (D-PA)
SWETT (D-NH)
CONYERS (D-MI)
MARTINEZ (D-CA)
TALENT (R-MO)
COSTELLO (D-IL)
MCCLOSKEY (D-IN)
TAUZIN (D-LA)
COYNE, WILLIAM (D-PA)
MCHALE (D-PA)
TAYLOR, CHARLES (R-NC)
CRAMER (D-AL)
MCHUGH, JOHN (R-NY)
TAYLOR, GENE (D-MS)
CRAPO (R-ID)
MCKINNEY (D-GA)
THOMPSON (D-MS)
DANNER (D-MO)
MCNULTY (D-NY)
THURMAN (D-FL)
DE FAZIO (D-OR)
MENENDEZ (D-NJ)
TORRICELLI (D-NJ)
DELAURO (D-CT)
MFUME (D-MD)
TOWNS (D-NY)
DELLUMS (D-CA)
MICA (R-FL)
TRAFICANT (D-OH)
DERRICK (D-SC)
MILLER, GEORGE (D-CA)
TUCKER (D-CA)
DEUTSCH (D-FL)
MINGE (D-MN)
UNSOELD (D-WA)
DIAZ-BALART (R-FL)
MINK (D-HI)
VELAZQUEZ (D-NY)
DINGELL (D-MI)
MOAKLEY (D-MA)
VENTO (D-MN)
DIXON, JULIAN (D-CA)
MOLLOHAN (D-WV)
VISCLOSKY (D-IN)
DOOLITTLE (R-CA)
MURPHY (D-PA)
VOLKMER (D-MO)
EDWARDS, DON (D-CA)
MURTHA (D-PA)
VUCANOVICH (R-NV)
ENGEL (D-NY)
MYERS (R-IN)
WALSH (R-NY)
EVANS, LANE (D-IL)
NADLER (D-NY)
WASHINGTON (D-TX)
EVERETT (R-AL)
NATCHER (D-KY)
WATERS (D-CA)
FIELDS, CLEO (D-LA)
NEAL, RICHARD (D-MA)
WATT (D-NC)
FILNER (D-CA)
OBERSTAR (D-MN)
WAXMAN (D-CA)
FINGERHUT (D-OH)
OBEY (D-WI)
WELDON (R-PA)
FOGLIETTA (D-PA)
OLVER (D-MA)
WHEAT (D-MO)
FORD, WILLIAM (D-MI)
ORTON (D-UT)
WILLIAMS, PAT (D-MT)
FRANK, BARNEY (D-MA)
OWENS, MAJOR (D-NY)
WILSON, CHARLES (D-TX)
FURSE (D-OR)
PALLONE (D-NJ)
WISE (D-WV)
GALLEGLY (R-CA)
PAYNE, DONALD (D-NJ)
WOOLSEY (D-CA)
GEJDENSON (D-CT)
PETERSON, COLLIN (D-MN)
WYNN (D-MD)
GEPHARDT (D-MO)
PETERSON, PETE (D-FL)
YATES (D-IL)
GILMAN (R-NY)
POMBO (R-CA)
YOUNG, DON (R-AK)
GONZALEZ (D-TX)
POMEROY (D-ND)
____________________________________
WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PATRIOT ACT?
SENATE:
NAYs ---1
Feingold (D-WI)
Not Voting - 1
Landrieu (D-LA)
HOUSE:
--- NOES 171 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baird
Baldwin
Bartlett (MD)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blumenauer
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carson
Clay
Cleaver
Conyers
Costa
Costello
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hinchey
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kind
Kucinich
LaHood
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lucas
Lynch
Mack
Maloney
Manzullo
Markey
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Ney
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Price (GA)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Rohrabacher
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
---- NOT VOTING 6 ---
Brown (SC)
Hastings (FL)
Hinojosa
Pickering
Taylor (MS)
Thomas
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WHO VOTED AGAINST CAFTA?
SENATE
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Not Voting - 1
Lieberman (D-CT) (but we know how he would have voted)
HOUSE
---- NOES 215 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Barrow
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson
Case
Chandler
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Conyers
Costa
Costello
Cramer
Crowley
Cubin
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Foxx
Frank (MA)
Garrett (NJ)
Gonzalez
Goode
Gordon
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herseth
Higgins
Hinchey
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Hoyer
Hunter
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jindal
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kind
Kucinich
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Mack
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matsui
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McCotter
McDermott
McGovern
McHenry
McHugh
McIntyre
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Melancon
Menendez
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Ney
Norwood
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Rehberg
Reyes
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz (PA)
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Simmons
Simpson
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tancredo
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
---- NOT VOTING 2 ---
Davis, Jo Ann
Taylor (NC)
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WHO VOTED AGAINST NAFTA?
SENATE
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bryan (D-NV)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Campbell (D-CO)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Exon (D-NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Ford (D-KY)
Glenn (D-OH)
Heflin (D-AL)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Metzenbaum (D-OH)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Reid (D-NV)
Riegle (D-MI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sasser (D-TN)
Shelby (D-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wofford (D-PA)
Not Voting - 1
Dorgan (D-ND)
HOUSE
(Sorry these are out of alphabetical order)
ABERCROMBIE (D-HI)
GREEN, GENE (D-TX)
POSHARD (D-IL)
ACKERMAN (D-NY)
GUTIERREZ (D-IL)
QUINN (R-NY)
ANDREWS, ROBERT (D-NJ)
HALL, RALPH (D-TX)
RAHALL (D-WV)
ANDREWS, THOMAS (D-ME)
HALL, TONY (D-OH)
RANGEL, CHARLES (D-NY)
APPLEGATE (D-OH)
HAMBURG (D-CA)
RAVENEL (R-SC)
BARCA (D-WI)
HARMAN (D-CA)
REED (D-RI)
BARCIA (D-MI)
HILLIARD (D-AL)
REGULA (R-OH)
BARLOW (D-KY)
HINCHEY (D-NY)
ROEMER (D-IN)
BARRETT, THOMAS (D-WI)
HOCHBRUECKNER (D-NY)
ROGERS (R-KY)
BARTLETT (R-MD)
HOKE (R-OH)
ROS-LEHTINEN (R-FL)
BENTLEY (R-MD)
HOLDEN (D-PA)
ROYCE (R-CA)
BEVILL (D-AL)
HUGHES (D-NJ)
RUSH (D-IL)
BILBRAY (D-NV)
HUNTER (R-CA)
SABO (D-MN)
BILIRAKIS (R-FL)
INGLIS (R-SC)
SANDERS (I-VT)
BISHOP (D-GA)
INHOFE (R-OK)
SANGMEISTER (D-IL)
BLACKWELL (D-PA)
JACOBS (D-IN)
SANTORUM (R-PA)
BLUTE (R-MA)
JOHNSON, TIMOTHY P. (D-SD)
SAXTON (R-NJ)
BONIOR (D-MI)
KANJORSKI (D-PA)
SCHENK (D-CA)
BORSKI (D-PA)
KAPTUR (D-OH)
SCHUMER (D-NY)
BOUCHER (D-VA)
KENNELLY (D-CT)
SCOTT (D-VA)
BROOKS (D-TX)
KILDEE (D-MI)
SERRANO (D-NY)
BROWDER (D-AL)
KINGSTON (R-GA)
SHARP (D-IN)
BROWN, CORRINE (D-FL)
KLECZKA (D-WI)
SHUSTER (R-PA)
BROWN, SHERROD (D-OH)
KLEIN (D-NJ)
SISISKY (D-VA)
BUNNING (R-KY)
KLINK (D-PA)
SLATTERY (D-KS)
BURTON (R-IN)
LAFALCE (D-NY)
SLAUGHTER, LOUISE (D-NY)
BYRNE (D-VA)
LANCASTER (D-NC)
SMITH, CHRISTOPHER (R-NJ)
CANADY (R-FL)
LANTOS (D-CA)
SNOWE (R-ME)
CARR (D-MI)
LAROCCO (D-ID)
SOLOMON (R-NY)
CLAY (D-MO)
LEVIN, SANDER (D-MI)
SPENCE (R-SC)
CLAYTON (D-NC)
LEWIS, JOHN (D-GA)
STARK (D-CA)
CLYBURN (D-SC)
LIPINSKI (D-IL)
STEARNS (R-FL)
COLLINS (R-GA)
LONG (D-IN)
STOKES (D-OH)
COLLINS, BARBARA (D-MI)
MALONEY (D-NY)
STRICKLAND (D-OH)
COLLINS, CARDISS (D-IL)
MANTON (D-NY)
STUPAK (D-MI)
CONDIT (D-CA)
MEZVINSKY (D-PA)
SWETT (D-NH)
CONYERS (D-MI)
MARTINEZ (D-CA)
TALENT (R-MO)
COSTELLO (D-IL)
MCCLOSKEY (D-IN)
TAUZIN (D-LA)
COYNE, WILLIAM (D-PA)
MCHALE (D-PA)
TAYLOR, CHARLES (R-NC)
CRAMER (D-AL)
MCHUGH, JOHN (R-NY)
TAYLOR, GENE (D-MS)
CRAPO (R-ID)
MCKINNEY (D-GA)
THOMPSON (D-MS)
DANNER (D-MO)
MCNULTY (D-NY)
THURMAN (D-FL)
DE FAZIO (D-OR)
MENENDEZ (D-NJ)
TORRICELLI (D-NJ)
DELAURO (D-CT)
MFUME (D-MD)
TOWNS (D-NY)
DELLUMS (D-CA)
MICA (R-FL)
TRAFICANT (D-OH)
DERRICK (D-SC)
MILLER, GEORGE (D-CA)
TUCKER (D-CA)
DEUTSCH (D-FL)
MINGE (D-MN)
UNSOELD (D-WA)
DIAZ-BALART (R-FL)
MINK (D-HI)
VELAZQUEZ (D-NY)
DINGELL (D-MI)
MOAKLEY (D-MA)
VENTO (D-MN)
DIXON, JULIAN (D-CA)
MOLLOHAN (D-WV)
VISCLOSKY (D-IN)
DOOLITTLE (R-CA)
MURPHY (D-PA)
VOLKMER (D-MO)
EDWARDS, DON (D-CA)
MURTHA (D-PA)
VUCANOVICH (R-NV)
ENGEL (D-NY)
MYERS (R-IN)
WALSH (R-NY)
EVANS, LANE (D-IL)
NADLER (D-NY)
WASHINGTON (D-TX)
EVERETT (R-AL)
NATCHER (D-KY)
WATERS (D-CA)
FIELDS, CLEO (D-LA)
NEAL, RICHARD (D-MA)
WATT (D-NC)
FILNER (D-CA)
OBERSTAR (D-MN)
WAXMAN (D-CA)
FINGERHUT (D-OH)
OBEY (D-WI)
WELDON (R-PA)
FOGLIETTA (D-PA)
OLVER (D-MA)
WHEAT (D-MO)
FORD, WILLIAM (D-MI)
ORTON (D-UT)
WILLIAMS, PAT (D-MT)
FRANK, BARNEY (D-MA)
OWENS, MAJOR (D-NY)
WILSON, CHARLES (D-TX)
FURSE (D-OR)
PALLONE (D-NJ)
WISE (D-WV)
GALLEGLY (R-CA)
PAYNE, DONALD (D-NJ)
WOOLSEY (D-CA)
GEJDENSON (D-CT)
PETERSON, COLLIN (D-MN)
WYNN (D-MD)
GEPHARDT (D-MO)
PETERSON, PETE (D-FL)
YATES (D-IL)
GILMAN (R-NY)
POMBO (R-CA)
YOUNG, DON (R-AK)
GONZALEZ (D-TX)
POMEROY (D-ND)
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WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PATRIOT ACT?
SENATE:
NAYs ---1
Feingold (D-WI)
Not Voting - 1
Landrieu (D-LA)
HOUSE:
--- NOES 171 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baird
Baldwin
Bartlett (MD)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blumenauer
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carson
Clay
Cleaver
Conyers
Costa
Costello
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hinchey
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kind
Kucinich
LaHood
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lucas
Lynch
Mack
Maloney
Manzullo
Markey
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Ney
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Price (GA)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Rohrabacher
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
---- NOT VOTING 6 ---
Brown (SC)
Hastings (FL)
Hinojosa
Pickering
Taylor (MS)
Thomas
We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin
WHO VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION?
(the following voted NOT to authorize Bush to declare war)
HOUSE
---- NAYS 133 ---
Abercrombie
Allen
Baca
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barrett
Becerra
Blumenauer
Bonior
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank
Gonzalez
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Houghton
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Morella
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson (CA)
Watt (NC)
Woolsey
Wu
---- NOT VOTING 3 ---
Ortiz
Roukema
Stump
SENATE
NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
____________________
What other key votes should we look at??
(the following voted NOT to authorize Bush to declare war)
HOUSE
---- NAYS 133 ---
Abercrombie
Allen
Baca
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barrett
Becerra
Blumenauer
Bonior
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank
Gonzalez
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Houghton
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Morella
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson (CA)
Watt (NC)
Woolsey
Wu
---- NOT VOTING 3 ---
Ortiz
Roukema
Stump
SENATE
NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
____________________
What other key votes should we look at??
We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin
BILL TITLE: Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act -- This is the bill that made it much harder to declare bankruptcy and forces people to pay back anyway.
SENATE
NAYs ---25
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 1
Clinton (D-NY)
HOUSE
---- NAYS 126 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baldwin
Barrow
Becerra
Berman
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carnahan
Carson
Clay
Clyburn
Conyers
Costello
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey
Holt
Honda
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Langevin
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matsui
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore (WI)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Pelosi
Rangel
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Stark
Stupak
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
---- NOT VOTING 7 ---
Berkley
Gillmor
Gutierrez
LaHood
Lantos
Solis
Weldon (FL)
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Here's another bill to limit citizens' legal rights and protect corporations that abuse Americans...
BILL TITLE: Class Action Fairness Act
SENATE
NAYs ---26
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 2
Santorum (R-PA)
Sununu (R-NH)
HOUSE
---- NAYS 149 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Conyers
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doolittle
Doyle
Engel
Etheridge
Evans
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Herseth
Hinchey
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Langevin
Lantos
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz (PA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Skelton
Slaughter
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Strickland
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wynn
---- NOT VOTING 6 ---
Baker
Eshoo
Farr
Rangel
Reichert
Stupak
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SENATE
NAYs ---25
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 1
Clinton (D-NY)
HOUSE
---- NAYS 126 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baldwin
Barrow
Becerra
Berman
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carnahan
Carson
Clay
Clyburn
Conyers
Costello
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey
Holt
Honda
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Langevin
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matsui
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore (WI)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Pelosi
Rangel
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Stark
Stupak
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
---- NOT VOTING 7 ---
Berkley
Gillmor
Gutierrez
LaHood
Lantos
Solis
Weldon (FL)
_____________________________
Here's another bill to limit citizens' legal rights and protect corporations that abuse Americans...
BILL TITLE: Class Action Fairness Act
SENATE
NAYs ---26
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 2
Santorum (R-PA)
Sununu (R-NH)
HOUSE
---- NAYS 149 ---
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Conyers
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doolittle
Doyle
Engel
Etheridge
Evans
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Herseth
Hinchey
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Langevin
Lantos
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz (PA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Skelton
Slaughter
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Strickland
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wynn
---- NOT VOTING 6 ---
Baker
Eshoo
Farr
Rangel
Reichert
Stupak
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Do any of you care about this?
We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin
It has been asked of us , by the rules for posting, that we say nothing imflamitory or illegel...Keeping in theis spirit I will not say we have no rights, we are no longer allowed to demand compliance with our wishes from our government, I also will not say that we are slaves of that hich we have created and allowed to run unchecked for oh so long. I will say there is only one way to regain control of the government....but I can not say what it is.....however the words 'tar and feathers' keeps running through my mind...
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Iris wrote: What we need -- from both sides -- in November, and again in 2008 is integrity. Someone who won't sell out. And I think it's important for us to realize up front that this won't be who the corporate powers will fund, or who the corporate media will sell to the public. If we are to get worthwhile men and women into office, it's going to take people being informed. So I think it's important that we figure out what we're doing, get wise to what they could do in trying to swing things their way, and make sure our friends and families are also aware.
Case in point: I watched what happened in 2004 and it really rocked me back on my heels. I won't forget what I saw.
Howard Dean was the frontrunner among Democrats with a very powerful message -- the war is wrong; the political system needs profound reform. Above all, and something that would have really made a huge difference for this country, as governor, Dean insisted on balancing the budget in Vermont above all else. He refused to fund social programs without making sure the state could pay its bills first. He was a rock-solid fiscal conservative. The bulk of his funding came not from gee-whiz corporations, but from individual donors on the Internet.
Dean had an overwhelming amount of support, because he knew that many Democrats were more upset with the Democrats than they were with the Republicans.
Nobody I knew anywhere, either in person or on the web, was talking about wanting Kerry.
All of a sudden, bingo-bango, Howard is persona non grata, and Kerry is shoved to the forefront. It happened so fast it made your head spin, and it was a definite, obvious, and intense media ploy. Did you ever see anything like that in your life? Well, maybe George Wallace.
Dean's mistakes? Well, it certainly didn't have anything to do with his rebel yell, or his supposed temper, or anything else the media pundits blamed it on. You know the media could have run with anything against Dean, but you had to know that separating all the crowd noise out from that yell and then playing it a kazillion times to make Dean look goofy was a really sick ploy. I mean, c'mon, let's talk about a candidate's record -- something substantial. It was SO obvious. He was never called passionate, or hot-headed, or anything like that when he was governor.
But why did they destroy him? He angered the the media. They picked on him, and he picked back at them, and this went on for months.
But his most fatal mistake was that he angered the DNC. He was his own man, and he wasn't going to play along like a good little puppet on a string; can't have that, oh no. He refused to bow in deference to the party bigwigs.
In short, they hated him for everything that the voters loved him for.
In the end, the voters bought the media ploy hook, line and sinker, and went into the primaries thinking that Dean didn't have a chance and that Kerry was the only one who did. This whole "electability" thing is very much a media creation, you understand. It was amazing that this hatchet job was done so quickly and so obviously, and yet most people appeared not to catch on. The reporters who did it are still chuckling over it privately, so I hear.
And in the end, Dean sold out when he became the head of the corporate-dominated DNC.
I'm hoping that this time people on both sides of the coin will be very alert to this, will do their own homework, and won't let the media tell them what to think or who to vote for. It's a longshot, I know, but we can raise consciousness. And remember, this sort of thing happens with candidates in both parties; the media, and the DNC and RNC promote who they like, and they like the corporate-friendly candidates, when what America really needs is the mavericks with the fresh ideas and the intact morals.
It's not too early to do our homework. With November coming up, this is a perfect time to start. I think it's important to make sure our families and friends understand that the media will try to steer our votes in ways which probably won't be the best for us.
So let's get down to brass tacks. Who do YOU all think is "clean" and why? Doesn't matter if you list Dems or Reps, let's share our ideas on this.
Iris, basically I agree with your premise about Dean being destroyed by the Major Media, and yet I would also suggest that there is a far more sinister element within the Major Media, since it is staunchly conservative, no matter how many times the Republican's try to have it otherwise, the PTB, all the Major Media outlets are owned by enormous corporations which promote the same-olde song of militaristic-industrialism, and Dean was confronting all of it.
So, Dean was targeted, and it was very sinister how the Major Media manipulated that infamous 'yell', with the spin-meistering of it all making Dean appear to be a loose cannon, it was all so veyr absurd, and I knew it when I saw it from the beginning, and yet those attacks on Dean's character continued unabated, obviously, he was made to appear to be an enemy of the State!
Ninerism
Rombaldi wrote: Er... Gov Granholm is a Dem
Rombi, and they say that JOE LEIBERMAN is a Democrat, too. But I think he's mostly a zionist, and olde guard war-mongerer.... just like Madam Half-Bright, too. She helped set Bosnia-Herznegovia ablaze, too, and bomb the children, too, no problema! I was praising God when Arrianna HUFFINGTON went after that vicious Madame Half-Bright, too!
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