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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
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Yes yes yes, but then there is of course......... reality:
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’90s Scandals Threaten to Erode Hillary Clinton’s Strength With Women
This month, Lena Dunham, wearing a red, white and blue sweater dress with the word “Hillary” emblazoned across the chest, told voters how Hillary Clinton had overcome sexism in her political career.
“The way she has been treated is just more evidence of the fact that our country has so much hatred toward successful women,” Ms. Dunham, the creator and star of the HBO series “Girls,” said at a Clinton campaign event in Manchester, N.H.
But at an Upper East Side dinner party a few months back, Ms. Dunham expressed more conflicted feelings. She told the guests at the Park Avenue apartment of Richard Plepler, the chief executive of HBO, that she was disturbed by how, in the 1990s, the Clintons and their allies discredited women who said they had had sexual encounters with or been sexually assaulted by former President Bill Clinton.
The conversation, relayed by several people with knowledge of the discussion who would speak about it only anonymously, captures the deeper debate unfolding among liberal-leaning women about how to reconcile Mrs. Clinton’s leadership on women’s issues with her past involvement in her husband’s efforts to fend off accusations of sexual misconduct. The issue emerged last month when Mrs. Clinton accused the Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump of having a “penchant for sexism” and he in turn accused her of hypocrisy, given her husband’s treatment of women.
And in recent weeks, the scandals of the 1990s and Mrs. Clinton’s role in them have taken on a life of their own, delivering an unexpected headache to a campaign predicated on inspiring female voters.
Graphic: 2016 Delegate Count and Primary Results
Mrs. Clinton had hoped to galvanize women late last month in her critique of Mr. Trump. Instead, two weeks before the Iowa caucuses, her campaign has found itself trying to shore up support among women as discussions about past Clinton scandals have moved from conservative critics to broader public consciousness. “She’s not a victim. She was an enabler,” Mr. Trump told Fox News last week. “Some of these women have been destroyed, and Hillary worked with” her husband, he said.
Ms. Dunham declined a request for comment. Her spokeswoman, Cindi Berger, said that Ms. Dunham was “fully supportive of Hillary Clinton and her track record for protecting women,” and that the description of her comments at the dinner party was a “total mischaracterization.”
But the resurfacing of the scandals of the 1990s has brought about a rethinking among some feminists about how prominent women stood by Mr. Clinton and disparaged his accusers after the “bimbo eruptions,” as a close aide to the Clintons, Betsey Wright, famously called the claims of affairs and sexual assault against Mr. Clinton in his 1992 campaign.
Even some Democrats who participated in the effort to discredit the women acknowledge privately that today, when Mrs. Clinton and other women have pleaded with the authorities on college campuses and in workplaces to take any allegation of sexual assault and sexual harassment seriously, such a campaign to attack the women’s character would be unacceptable.
Back then, Mr. Clinton’s aides, having watched Gary Hart’s presidential hopes unravel over his relationship with Donna Rice in the 1988 Democratic primary race, were determined to quash any accusations against Mr. Clinton early and aggressively, former campaign aides said. Mrs. Clinton had supported the effort to push back against the women’s stories.
Much of her involvement played out behind the scenes and was driven in part by her sense that right-wing forces were using the women and salacious stories to damage her husband’s political ambitions.
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Lena Dunham, who has been campaigning for Mrs. Clinton, in Des Moines this month. Credit Brian Frank/Reuters
Her reflex was to protect him and his future, and early on, she turned to a longtime Clinton loyalist, Ms. Wright, to defend him against the allegations, according to multiple accounts at the time, documented in books and oral histories.
“We have to destroy her story,” Mrs. Clinton said in 1991 of Connie Hamzy, one of the first women to come forward during her husband’s first presidential campaign, according to George Stephanopoulos, a former Clinton administration aide who described the events in his memoir, “All Too Human.” (Three people signed sworn affidavits saying Ms. Hamzy’s story was false.)
When Gennifer Flowers later surfaced, saying that she had had a long affair with Mr. Clinton, Mrs. Clinton undertook an “aggressive, explicit direction of the campaign to discredit” Ms. Flowers, according to an exhaustive biography of Mrs. Clinton, “A Woman in Charge,” by Carl Bernstein.
Mrs. Clinton referred to Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern who had an affair with the 42nd president, as a “narcissistic loony toon,” according to one of her closest confidantes, Diane D. Blair, whose diaries were released to the University of Arkansas after her death in 2000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0
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’90s Scandals Threaten to Erode Hillary Clinton’s Strength With Women
This month, Lena Dunham, wearing a red, white and blue sweater dress with the word “Hillary” emblazoned across the chest, told voters how Hillary Clinton had overcome sexism in her political career.
“The way she has been treated is just more evidence of the fact that our country has so much hatred toward successful women,” Ms. Dunham, the creator and star of the HBO series “Girls,” said at a Clinton campaign event in Manchester, N.H.
But at an Upper East Side dinner party a few months back, Ms. Dunham expressed more conflicted feelings. She told the guests at the Park Avenue apartment of Richard Plepler, the chief executive of HBO, that she was disturbed by how, in the 1990s, the Clintons and their allies discredited women who said they had had sexual encounters with or been sexually assaulted by former President Bill Clinton.
The conversation, relayed by several people with knowledge of the discussion who would speak about it only anonymously, captures the deeper debate unfolding among liberal-leaning women about how to reconcile Mrs. Clinton’s leadership on women’s issues with her past involvement in her husband’s efforts to fend off accusations of sexual misconduct. The issue emerged last month when Mrs. Clinton accused the Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump of having a “penchant for sexism” and he in turn accused her of hypocrisy, given her husband’s treatment of women.
And in recent weeks, the scandals of the 1990s and Mrs. Clinton’s role in them have taken on a life of their own, delivering an unexpected headache to a campaign predicated on inspiring female voters.
Graphic: 2016 Delegate Count and Primary Results
Mrs. Clinton had hoped to galvanize women late last month in her critique of Mr. Trump. Instead, two weeks before the Iowa caucuses, her campaign has found itself trying to shore up support among women as discussions about past Clinton scandals have moved from conservative critics to broader public consciousness. “She’s not a victim. She was an enabler,” Mr. Trump told Fox News last week. “Some of these women have been destroyed, and Hillary worked with” her husband, he said.
Ms. Dunham declined a request for comment. Her spokeswoman, Cindi Berger, said that Ms. Dunham was “fully supportive of Hillary Clinton and her track record for protecting women,” and that the description of her comments at the dinner party was a “total mischaracterization.”
But the resurfacing of the scandals of the 1990s has brought about a rethinking among some feminists about how prominent women stood by Mr. Clinton and disparaged his accusers after the “bimbo eruptions,” as a close aide to the Clintons, Betsey Wright, famously called the claims of affairs and sexual assault against Mr. Clinton in his 1992 campaign.
Even some Democrats who participated in the effort to discredit the women acknowledge privately that today, when Mrs. Clinton and other women have pleaded with the authorities on college campuses and in workplaces to take any allegation of sexual assault and sexual harassment seriously, such a campaign to attack the women’s character would be unacceptable.
Back then, Mr. Clinton’s aides, having watched Gary Hart’s presidential hopes unravel over his relationship with Donna Rice in the 1988 Democratic primary race, were determined to quash any accusations against Mr. Clinton early and aggressively, former campaign aides said. Mrs. Clinton had supported the effort to push back against the women’s stories.
Much of her involvement played out behind the scenes and was driven in part by her sense that right-wing forces were using the women and salacious stories to damage her husband’s political ambitions.
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Lena Dunham, who has been campaigning for Mrs. Clinton, in Des Moines this month. Credit Brian Frank/Reuters
Her reflex was to protect him and his future, and early on, she turned to a longtime Clinton loyalist, Ms. Wright, to defend him against the allegations, according to multiple accounts at the time, documented in books and oral histories.
“We have to destroy her story,” Mrs. Clinton said in 1991 of Connie Hamzy, one of the first women to come forward during her husband’s first presidential campaign, according to George Stephanopoulos, a former Clinton administration aide who described the events in his memoir, “All Too Human.” (Three people signed sworn affidavits saying Ms. Hamzy’s story was false.)
When Gennifer Flowers later surfaced, saying that she had had a long affair with Mr. Clinton, Mrs. Clinton undertook an “aggressive, explicit direction of the campaign to discredit” Ms. Flowers, according to an exhaustive biography of Mrs. Clinton, “A Woman in Charge,” by Carl Bernstein.
Mrs. Clinton referred to Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern who had an affair with the 42nd president, as a “narcissistic loony toon,” according to one of her closest confidantes, Diane D. Blair, whose diaries were released to the University of Arkansas after her death in 2000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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Not to mention "people showing-up dead........"
People are thinking that the Hillary/ Sanders primary is a show. Should Hillary prevail - as she almost certainly will, you can bet that the national airwaves wil be rife with replays of the 80s and 90s versions of the Clintons and their financial dealings......
Former Ambassador Says Vince Foster Was Murdered
Former Ambassador Leo Wanta, jailed for years and framed by the Bush and Clinton crime families, said during a recent radio interview there is no doubt in his mind Vince Foster, chief White House counsel to President Clinton, was murdered only weeks after giving Foster $250 million dollars earmarked for the Childrens' Defense Fund.
Wanta also said Monday on Greg Szymanski's nightly edition of the Investigative Journal that he was aware Foster was about to testify against Clinton, providing another motive for Foster's untimely death.
Although Wanta had no idea what The Children's Fund was all about, later a financial investigator, Marco Saba of the Organized Crime Observatory (OBO) in Switzerland wrote this about turned out to be a secret fund:
"One component of this information concerns the activities of the CIA operative known as Mrs Hillary Rodham Clinton. For some years prior to the elevation of her husband, Bill, a CIA operative like his ''CIA wife'', Hillary had been in control of an organization calling itself the Childrens' Defense Fund. Executive Order 12333 (1981) of President Reagan, the US intelligence services were authorized to operate what became known as Title 18, Section 6 USG corporations for intelligence purposes, and to deny any intelligence community connection (that is, to lie about their real purpose).
"Some of these entities have touchy-feely, welfarish titles, like The Childrens' Defense Fund. It is alleged, un the basis of intelligence community leakages, that Hillary became accustomed to treating this fund as her own private slush fund."
Besides meeting with Foster, Wanta was in Switzerland on an official business to arrest the tax-evading criminal Marc Rich. But instead of bringing him to justice, Wanta was double-crossed by Clinton as Rich was allowed to escape on a tip by Israeli Mossad agents and Wanta instead was locked-up in a Swiss dungeon for 134 days.
Wanta's arrest, for no apparent reason, was met with strong opposition from Israeli leader Itzhak Rabin and Foster, both objecting to the Department of State. It's interesting to note both Rabin and Foster were subsequently killed, Foster on July 20, 1993 and Rabin assassinated in 1995.
"Foster was a religious man, happily married and why would anyone want to commit suicide after returning with 250 million," said Wanta. "There is no doubt in mind he was murdered as where some of my other business and political associates who were trying to do the right thing while honorably serving their country."
Regarding the other deaths, Wanta was referring to his business partner, Kok Howe Kwong, and other associates like Freddie Woodruff and Francois de Grosseurve, all found dead, according to Wanta, "strangely for their personal belief in our Great Nation, but by betrayal of others with falsehoods and malice," pointing the finger in the direction of George H. Bush and Clinton.
http://www.rense.com/general70/formerambassadorsays.htm
People are thinking that the Hillary/ Sanders primary is a show. Should Hillary prevail - as she almost certainly will, you can bet that the national airwaves wil be rife with replays of the 80s and 90s versions of the Clintons and their financial dealings......
Former Ambassador Says Vince Foster Was Murdered
Former Ambassador Leo Wanta, jailed for years and framed by the Bush and Clinton crime families, said during a recent radio interview there is no doubt in his mind Vince Foster, chief White House counsel to President Clinton, was murdered only weeks after giving Foster $250 million dollars earmarked for the Childrens' Defense Fund.
Wanta also said Monday on Greg Szymanski's nightly edition of the Investigative Journal that he was aware Foster was about to testify against Clinton, providing another motive for Foster's untimely death.
Although Wanta had no idea what The Children's Fund was all about, later a financial investigator, Marco Saba of the Organized Crime Observatory (OBO) in Switzerland wrote this about turned out to be a secret fund:
"One component of this information concerns the activities of the CIA operative known as Mrs Hillary Rodham Clinton. For some years prior to the elevation of her husband, Bill, a CIA operative like his ''CIA wife'', Hillary had been in control of an organization calling itself the Childrens' Defense Fund. Executive Order 12333 (1981) of President Reagan, the US intelligence services were authorized to operate what became known as Title 18, Section 6 USG corporations for intelligence purposes, and to deny any intelligence community connection (that is, to lie about their real purpose).
"Some of these entities have touchy-feely, welfarish titles, like The Childrens' Defense Fund. It is alleged, un the basis of intelligence community leakages, that Hillary became accustomed to treating this fund as her own private slush fund."
Besides meeting with Foster, Wanta was in Switzerland on an official business to arrest the tax-evading criminal Marc Rich. But instead of bringing him to justice, Wanta was double-crossed by Clinton as Rich was allowed to escape on a tip by Israeli Mossad agents and Wanta instead was locked-up in a Swiss dungeon for 134 days.
Wanta's arrest, for no apparent reason, was met with strong opposition from Israeli leader Itzhak Rabin and Foster, both objecting to the Department of State. It's interesting to note both Rabin and Foster were subsequently killed, Foster on July 20, 1993 and Rabin assassinated in 1995.
"Foster was a religious man, happily married and why would anyone want to commit suicide after returning with 250 million," said Wanta. "There is no doubt in mind he was murdered as where some of my other business and political associates who were trying to do the right thing while honorably serving their country."
Regarding the other deaths, Wanta was referring to his business partner, Kok Howe Kwong, and other associates like Freddie Woodruff and Francois de Grosseurve, all found dead, according to Wanta, "strangely for their personal belief in our Great Nation, but by betrayal of others with falsehoods and malice," pointing the finger in the direction of George H. Bush and Clinton.
http://www.rense.com/general70/formerambassadorsays.htm
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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Many people knew Vince was offted. That's the way Washington works.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
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And that's the kind of administration the Democrats want to bring back?????????voguy wrote:Many people knew Vince was offted. That's the way Washington works.
"But what......... there's more!!!!!!!!"
Oh, that's right. Women "need protecting............"
Hillary covered up Bill's rapes, sex with 'underage girls'
Today’s Q&A is with Roger Stone, a seasoned political operative and pundit. A veteran of eight national presidential campaigns, he served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents before leaving the GOP for the Libertarian Party. He is author of the New York Times bestseller, “The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ,” and has written for Fox Opinion, Breitbart News, the Daily Caller’s StoneZone.com and the op-ed page of the New York Times. A well-known voice in politics for more than 40 years, Roger Stone often gives insights on behind-the-scenes political agendas on Fox News, CNN, CNBC and MSNBC.
WND: Recently in Politico, you described your forthcoming book, “The Clintons’ War on Women,” as “The definitive expose’ on Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton. Raw, shocking and true.”
Is your description just hype to stimulate pre-sales since the book will not be released until Oct. 13, or are you and your co-author Robert Morrow really breaking new ground that will make headlines and possibly impact the 2016 race?
ROGER STONE: The mainstream media have suppressed the shocking truth about the Clintons and the way they have climbed over the backs of innocent women, men and children in their quest for power and wealth. Most people who read this book will learn shocking facts for the first time. Clinton’s apologists will try to dismiss it as “old news.” News is not “old” to those who never heard it. The book is not about Whitewater or Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton and a cigar. It is the true story of serial rape, intimidation, violence, terror tactics, drugs, lies, greed, cover-up and ambition. It’s blunt, ugly and shocking. It’s the definitive expose on Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton. Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.
ROGER STONE: Bill Clinton’s record of serial rape and how Hillary ran the terror campaign to intimidate his victims into silence or sign false denials. How Bill Clinton viciously bit the lower lips of his multiple rape victims as a signature bid to remain silent. Which co-president really gave the “go” order in Waco that killed 76 people, mostly women and 26 children? Bill’s abandoned African-American son and the non-existent DNA test reported by the Washington Post that supposedly exonerated Bill. A close-up look at the Clinton’s relationship with pedophile Jeff Epstein. Is Bill’s right-hand man, the now estranged Doug Band, the man who knows too much? How a recent DNA test shows Bill isn’t Chelsea’s biological father and who is. The identity of Bill Clinton’s real father (not the one listed in his Wiki profile).
WND: When describing your forthcoming book on Politico, you are also quoted as saying, “It’s Ed Klein and ‘Clinton Cash’ on steroids.”
As you know, Ed Klein’s 2014 book, “Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas,” was widely criticized for using anonymous sources. Does your book have real quotes from real people who go “on record” in what Amazon describes as a “tell-all, exposing the appalling, unvarnished and ugly truth about the Clintons”?
ROGER STONE: We rest on the shoulders of many brave journalists who have documented and written the stunning facts about the Clintons. Sean Hannity, Peter Schweitzer, Daniel Halper, Michael Goodwin, Christopher Hitchens, David Sirota, Paul Sperry, Ed Klein, Brent Scher, Victor Thorn, Marinka Peschmann, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Jerome Corsi, Jim Nelson, Roger Morris, Sally Denton, Chris Ruddy and many more have proved the shocking facts about Bill and Hil. Our book is heavily sourced. We let the women sexually assaulted by Bill and psychologically assaulted by Hillary speak for themselves.
Incidentally, Ed Klein is an honest and meticulous reporter, and many of [his sources] will only speak without attribution.
WND: It is no secret that an integral part of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 White House battle plan is to reignite the Republican’s “War on Women.” This “faux war” helped Democrats win the 2012 presidential election when Obama won the women’s vote by a margin of 11 percentage points. It is well established that, to win in 2016, Republicans must close this gender gap.
Therefore, is the goal of your book, as witnessed by the title, to turn women against Hillary Clinton? As a longtime Republican political operative, is this your attempt to deflate her “girl power” campaign and derail her from making history as the first female president? Are you ready for all the Clinton backlash?
ROGER STONE: Hillary as advocate for women is a joke. The Clintons’ activities have not only included Bill’s physical rape of women, but also Hillary’s degradation and psychological rape of women whom Bill has assaulted. Hillary, it will be seen, authorized the heavy-handed private detectives who terrorize Bill’s victims into silence. Behind the scenes, she calls them “sluts,” “whores” and “b–ches,” blaming and shaming them for the unwanted physical attentions and violence of Bill. This is the “advocate for women and girls”?
Hillary’s history of paying women less than men and her pocketing millions of dollars from Islamic regimes that oppress women, a convicted sex criminal and a foreign leader known as a pedophile with a dozen underage girls in his harem, all prove Hillary is a fraud when it comes to women.
The book isn’t about me or my colorful co-author Robert Morrow. We are hardly saints. But neither of us is running for president. Nor is the book about consensual sex or infidelity. It’s about rape, sexual assault and sex with underage girls. That crosses a line, even for a libertine like me. It’s about would-be President Hillary Clinton’s role in covering it up. The book will rise or fall on its own. The Clinton’s goons will attack us as partisans, misogynists and worse. Let the reader decide.
WND: In early August after you quit as one of Donald Trump’s longtime loyal political advisers, Trump declared that you were fired. Given your headline-making departure, are you involved with his campaign in any capacity? Do you honestly think he can win the GOP nomination?
ROGER STONE: Although my own views on many issues are more libertarian than Trump’s, I think he can be the one man with the financial independence and guts to take down the Clinton-Bush duopoly in which both parties give us the exact same failed policies while they loot a broken political system running on special-interest money while the system is rigged against the average citizen.
My book, “Jeb and the Bush Crime Family, ” will be out in January proving that I carry no brief for today’s Republican Party and its elites and strongly support Trump since he is making the political establishment pee their pants.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/hillary-cove ... age-girls/
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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voguy wrote:Bernie Sanders’ Wife Drove a Vermont College INTO MASSIVE DEBT
February 17, 2016 by A Leister
One of the reasons Bernie Sanders is doing well with Millennials is because he’s promising free college for everyone.
In an ultimate twist of irony, his wife Jane Sanders used to be the head of Burlington College in Vermont and racked up large debts for the small school which almost caused its ruin. Can you say metaphor?
Politico reported:What happened at Sanders U.
When Jane Sanders was in charge of a small private college in Vermont for seven years, it sank deep into debt while trying to expand its campus. Many students took out tens of thousands of dollars in loans to attend, but their investment was questionable: Only a third of former Burlington College students earn more than the average person with a high school diploma.
Jane Sanders’ husband, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, has offered a higher-education plan that would make tuition at public colleges free. But it would do little to prod colleges, public or private, to keep costs down or ensure that a college degree is worthwhile for graduates.
Jane Sanders, who led Burlington College from 2004 to 2011, spent millions on a new campus — 33 acres along the bank of Lake Champlain — to attract more students and donations from alumni. It didn’t work: The college failed to recruit enough students or donations to repay its debts and even came close to losing its accreditation.
MAY 16, 2016
"Burlington College Closing Due To "Crushing Debt" Incurred Under Presidency Of Bernie Sanders' Wife
In what may or may not be a harbinger of things to come should Bernie Sanders become president, earlier today Burlington College, a small Vermont private school once led by the wife of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, said Monday it will close later this month, citing "the crushing weight" of debt incurred during the presidency of Jane Sanders who was in charge of the college until 2011."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-1 ... nie-sander
That certainly speaks volumes for the" Sanders Family of Finance" . You may think it is "wonderful" that the that the "Bern" family is so "humble" that their net worth is a mere $800,000. Or so, but really is do to his practice of his Socialist ideology, of which, he so wants to share with with the people of this country.
Have you not had enough "training" yet" ? Living with loosing what you used to have?
KARMA RULES
Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities': Voltaire
Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities': Voltaire
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Well, if true (very possible) then Mrs Sanders could go to prison, and rightfully so:
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Catholic parishioners in Vermont want an investigation into Ms. Sanders actions, suspecting she committed federal bank fraud by deliberately misrepresenting the amount of fundraising pledges she claimed would help the college pay back the loans. She insisted over and over that the college had obtained over $2 million in fundraising commitments and pledges. Brady Toensing, the vice chair of the Vermont Republican Party, acted as attorney for Catholic parishioners and contacted the U.S. attorney in Vermont and the inspector general of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, urging them to launch an investigation. If Ms. Sanders defrauded the bank, she could serve 30 years in prison and pay $1 million in fines.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/5767/burl ... nk-berrien
Here's one difference at least - with the Clinton's, despite a series of scandals ranging from sexual improprieties to murder to drugs to finances, no one has been held accountable. If Sanders' wife screwed-up, prosecute her. By all means. But then, let's hold people such as the Clintons to the SAME standards and not rush to pooh-pooh the growing list of issues and slander the accusers as has been done. How a "suicide victim" shoots himself TWICE in the head, and this is seriously given as an excuse is laughable.....
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Catholic parishioners in Vermont want an investigation into Ms. Sanders actions, suspecting she committed federal bank fraud by deliberately misrepresenting the amount of fundraising pledges she claimed would help the college pay back the loans. She insisted over and over that the college had obtained over $2 million in fundraising commitments and pledges. Brady Toensing, the vice chair of the Vermont Republican Party, acted as attorney for Catholic parishioners and contacted the U.S. attorney in Vermont and the inspector general of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, urging them to launch an investigation. If Ms. Sanders defrauded the bank, she could serve 30 years in prison and pay $1 million in fines.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/5767/burl ... nk-berrien
Here's one difference at least - with the Clinton's, despite a series of scandals ranging from sexual improprieties to murder to drugs to finances, no one has been held accountable. If Sanders' wife screwed-up, prosecute her. By all means. But then, let's hold people such as the Clintons to the SAME standards and not rush to pooh-pooh the growing list of issues and slander the accusers as has been done. How a "suicide victim" shoots himself TWICE in the head, and this is seriously given as an excuse is laughable.....
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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Kbot:
Here's one difference at least - with the Clinton's, despite a series of scandals ranging from sexual improprieties to murder to drugs to finances, no one has been held accountable. If Sanders' wife screwed-up, prosecute her. By all means. But then, let's hold people such as the Clintons to the SAME standards and not rush to pooh-pooh the growing list of issues and slander the accusers as has been done. How a "suicide victim" shoots himself TWICE in the head, and this is seriously given as an excuse is laughable.....
Kbot, I agree with you , in fact the differences are from terrible "Darkness" to the "Light". The Clintons are in the evil realm , Bernie I do not believe wishes harm, but all have the same idiology, there is no difference in the out come. If you rob people with a smile or a scowl on your face, you are still just a robber. Bernie wants to take this ravaged(psyco) country of 3 to 4 billion people and turn it into a mirror image of tiny , utopic Sweden(or what ever the country). Do think that would work? Who do know has enough money left, to take care of themselves and the rest of us at the same time . Bernie exudes a certain naivete' that endears people to him. But, I do believe he has a "Tiger by Tail".
Here's one difference at least - with the Clinton's, despite a series of scandals ranging from sexual improprieties to murder to drugs to finances, no one has been held accountable. If Sanders' wife screwed-up, prosecute her. By all means. But then, let's hold people such as the Clintons to the SAME standards and not rush to pooh-pooh the growing list of issues and slander the accusers as has been done. How a "suicide victim" shoots himself TWICE in the head, and this is seriously given as an excuse is laughable.....
Kbot, I agree with you , in fact the differences are from terrible "Darkness" to the "Light". The Clintons are in the evil realm , Bernie I do not believe wishes harm, but all have the same idiology, there is no difference in the out come. If you rob people with a smile or a scowl on your face, you are still just a robber. Bernie wants to take this ravaged(psyco) country of 3 to 4 billion people and turn it into a mirror image of tiny , utopic Sweden(or what ever the country). Do think that would work? Who do know has enough money left, to take care of themselves and the rest of us at the same time . Bernie exudes a certain naivete' that endears people to him. But, I do believe he has a "Tiger by Tail".
KARMA RULES
Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities': Voltaire
Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities': Voltaire
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I can hear it now. "Right wing conspiracy. The, damn republicans!"kbot wrote:Hillary covered up Bill's rapes, sex with 'underage girls'
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
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I honestly did not know anything about this issue until you mentioned it - to me, if true, this would kill Bernie's chances. I would find it difficult to support him - qualifying the statement that I don't know all the facts.Doka wrote:Kbot, I agree with you , in fact the differences are from terrible "Darkness" to the "Light". The Clintons are in the evil realm , Bernie I do not believe wishes harm, but all have the same idiology, there is no difference in the out come. If you rob people with a smile or a scowl on your face, you are still just a robber. Bernie wants to take this ravaged(psyco) country of 3 to 4 billion people and turn it into a mirror image of tiny , utopic Sweden(or what ever the country). Do think that would work? Who do know has enough money left, to take care of themselves and the rest of us at the same time . Bernie exudes a certain naivete' that endears people to him. But, I do believe he has a "Tiger by Tail".
That being said........ "politicians" in this country are basically the same in that, "the establishment" candidates are all groomed to be in certain places. My belief is that this is a process begun while they're in college and with connections made there, or as with certain families (Bush, Kennedy, etc..) via family connections. We just get predetermined "choices". Where I think both Bernie and Trump excelled, is that they are outsiders to large degree and that's their appeal.
Still can't bring myself to vote for either Hilary or Trump though.......not yet.
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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Wait for it.........voguy wrote:
I can hear it now. "Right wing conspiracy. The, damn republicans!"
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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OK I'll bite.kbot wrote:Wait for it.........voguy wrote:
I can hear it now. "Right wing conspiracy. The, damn republicans!"
Funny how Trump ripped people off with his 'get rich quick scheme' university and I haven't seen a word about it on this forum.
His trial for fraud will take place after the election.“For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.” Simon Wiesenthal
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Re: All Things Bernie
I'm not a fan or his "get rich quick" schemes. He should be investigated as any person who breaks the law.Raggedyann wrote:OK I'll bite.kbot wrote:Wait for it.........voguy wrote:
I can hear it now. "Right wing conspiracy. The, damn republicans!"
Funny how Trump ripped people off with his 'get rich quick scheme' university and I haven't seen a word about it on this forum.
Here's a difference though - people such as the Clintons, Obama, Bush - they were politicians - allegedly working for us. As "public servants" - a joke phrase if there ever was one...... they MUST BE held accountable - otherwise, we've lots our government.
The problem is - we're relying on THE GOVERNMENT to enforce laws, and they;'re doing a crappy job at that.
There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles and piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave. And keep on thinking free. (Moody Blues)
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There is no difference Kbot. You lost your Government about 50 years ago. THE GOVERNMENT can't enforce the laws as they wouldn't know where to start within their own two crowds. Crooks are running the show and we've known that for years and then there's those who want to vote in another one and with wild abandon.kbot wrote:I'm not a fan or his "get rich quick" schemes. He should be investigated as any person who breaks the law.Raggedyann wrote:OK I'll bite.kbot wrote:
Wait for it.........
Funny how Trump ripped people off with his 'get rich quick scheme' university and I haven't seen a word about it on this forum.
Here's a difference though - people such as the Clintons, Obama, Bush - they were politicians - allegedly working for us. As "public servants" - a joke phrase if there ever was one...... they MUST BE held accountable - otherwise, we've lots our government.
The problem is - we're relying on THE GOVERNMENT to enforce laws, and they;'re doing a crappy job at that.
Funny how Trump calls Hillary "crooked Hillary".
“For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.” Simon Wiesenthal