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Post by kbot » 05-08-2014 07:17 PM

Cherry Kelly wrote: Sorry I did not catch state or hospital involved - but was doing "double duty" when it came on the radio.

Woman gave birth around 8 a.m. in morning. They "kicked her and the newborn" out of the hospital at 5 p.m. on the same day. They were back in the hospital by 10 p.m. that evening. The woman was hemorrhaging internally. The baby was barely breathing - and when proper tests done, discovered some kind of lung problem requiring surgery. (Now the nurse {anon} said that some closing to one lung...) This supposedly happened in middle of April. Woman was supposed to be on ACA - but they could not find her listed.

Another man called in and said his wife gave birth in April over east coast (one of the Carolinas) - they were there two full days. He had regular insurance.


Are we back to drive-by deliveries?
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Post by kbot » 05-08-2014 07:21 PM

SquidInk wrote: Well, the first thing a union would do is lobby the right slimebags, and have that bogus law tossed out on it's head.

Unless it was the nurses associations themselves who had the law written and enacted to ensure tons of OT.

When you see an aberration like that - something that flies in the face of modern labor practices, then something is skewed.

Sorry, cynical.


May be..... but here is just n example. Seriously doubt is has to do with "tons of overtime" as you put it. Sorry - I know plenty of nurses that just love being able to sleep-in once in a while....

Practice Information

Abandonment in Nursing To: New York State Licensed Nurses, Health Care Facilities and Other Interested Parties

From: Johanna Duncan-Poitier, Deputy Commissioner, Office of the Professions, Deputy Commissioner, Office of Higher Education and Barbara Zittel, Executive Secretary, New York State Board for Nursing

Date: September 2002

Subject: Abandonment in Nursing

The New York State Education Department has received numerous requests from nurses and health care employers seeking clarification about actions that could be considered abandonment and lead to charges of unprofessional conduct against a nurse's license. As part of their work to ensure a strong future for the nursing profession, the New York State Board of Regents Blue Ribbon Task Force on the Future of Nursing recommended that the Department clarify its position in this area. We are pleased to provide you with this guidance memo resulting from the significant contributions of the State Board for Nursing, in consultation with the Department of Health, the New York Organization of Nurse Executives, the New York State Nurses Association and the Healthcare Association of New York State.

Provided below are key terms describing important aspects to help clarify abandonment as well as factors associated with assessing allegations of abandonment in nursing.


Responsibility of the Licensed Nurse

Nurses strive to protect the health, safety and rights of their patients. They are individually responsible and professionally accountable for the nursing care that they provide to their patients. Nurses are also responsible to preserve their own integrity and safety.


Responsibility of the Health Care Facility

Health care facilities are responsible for providing staff for the patients they accept, respecting the legal and ethical obligation of nurses to protect the safety of patients. Managerial or supervisory personnel should make adequate provisions for competent staffing to ensure necessary patient care in routine situations.


Nurse-Patient Relationship

A nurse-patient relationship begins when the nurse accepts responsibility for providing nursing care based upon a written or oral report of patient needs. A nurse-patient relationship ends when that responsibility has been transferred to another nurse and a report of patient needs has been communicated.


Objection to a Work Assignment

The decision to accept or reject an assignment must be based upon a critical judgement by the nurse of the nurse's ability to provide competent patient care. When a nurse is assigned to care for a patient or group of patients that is beyond the nurse's level of physical or professional competence, the nurse should immediately notify the first-line supervisor in writing of the objections to accepting the assignment. It should also be noted that future assignments in similar situations will be refused.


Definition of Abandonment

Abandonment results when the nurse-patient relationship is terminated without making reasonable arrangements with an appropriate person so that nursing care by others can be continued.

The legal definition of abandonment as found in section 29.2(a) of the Rules of the Board of Regents states that unprofessional conduct shall include:

Abandoning or neglecting a patient or client under and in need of immediate professional care, without making reasonable arrangements for the continuation of such care, or abandoning a professional employment by a group practice, hospital, clinic or other health care facility, without reasonable notice and under circumstances which seriously impair the delivery of professional care to patients or clients.


Abandonment and Unprofessional Conduct

The decision to charge a nurse with abandonment will depend on an examination of all of the circumstances surrounding a particular situation as assessed by State Education Department staff in consultation with a member of the State Board for Nursing. Key questions considered include:
•Did the nurse accept the patient assignment, which established a nurse-patient relationship?
•Did the nurse provide reasonable notice when severing the nurse-patient relationship?
•Could reasonable arrangements have been made for continuation of nursing care by others when proper notification was given?

An investigation by the Department of abandonment charges would consider whether managerial or supervisory personnel made adequate provisions for competent staffing to ensure necessary patient care in routine situations. The Department and the nurse may obtain a copy of the nurse's written notice of patient assignment refusal in the event of such an investigation.

In most cases, the following situations are not examples of unprofessional conduct nor automatic violations of the Regents Rule:
•Refusing to accept responsibility for a patient assignment(s) when the nurse has given reasonable notice to the proper agent that the nurse lacks competence to carry out the assignment.
•Refusing the assignment of a double shift or additional hours beyond the posted work schedule when proper notification has been given.


Employer Abandonment

Employer abandonment may occur if a nurse fails to give reasonable notice to an employer of the intent to terminate the employer/employee relationship or contract under circumstances that seriously impair the delivery of professional care to patients or clients. It should be noted that the Department has no jurisdiction to interpret or resolve issues limited to employment and contract disputes.


The State Education Department views abandonment as a serious charge. It is however, inappropriate for nurses to be threatened with charges of abandonment to coerce them to work additional hours or care for patients beyond their expertise.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/nurse/nurseabandonment.htm
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Post by SquidInk » 05-08-2014 10:27 PM

This makes no sense.

It's also akin to the leverage I used when negotiating for the cancer treatment I needed in 2010.

But, make no mistake --- these conditions are nonsensical.
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Post by Riddick » 05-09-2014 04:02 AM

The law is nonsensical? So what does that say about the sanity of the System that produced it? The answer could explain a lot, actually. I mean, so much as it's SOP -

"Less sense. More nonsense."
Yeah, that's the ticket! Thus, ObamaCare is the law of the land and forever "Forward" we go - That being wherever in its infinite wisdom the entrenched DC Establishment decides to take us - how lucky for us they love to think BIG!

Wonder what universally contrived and cockeyed mess America's Brightest And Best will lead us into next!?

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Post by kbot » 05-09-2014 06:20 AM

SquidInk wrote: This makes no sense.

It's also akin to the leverage I used when negotiating for the cancer treatment I needed in 2010.

But, make no mistake --- these conditions are nonsensical.


Yes they are, but they are the reality of the workplace for nurses. The concept of unions in healthcare is a false hope - union healthcare members get let go and abused ALL THE TIME. The hospital group I work for has 12 hospitals - 11 of which are union. Where I work, we're not.

Despite the unionization, people are being let go at all sites all the time.

And, even though the information says that abandonment can't be used as a coercive tactic, trust me, it is.
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Post by kbot » 05-09-2014 06:24 AM

Riddick wrote: The law is nonsensical? So what does that say about the sanity of the System that produced it? The answer could explain a lot, actually. I mean, so much as it's SOP -

"Less sense. More nonsense."
Yeah, that's the ticket! Thus, ObamaCare is the law of the land and forever "Forward" we go - That being wherever in its infinite wisdom the entrenched DC Establishment decides to take us - how lucky for us they love to think BIG!

Wonder what universally contrived and cockeyed mess America's Brightest And Best will lead us into next!?

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Obamacare, please. Just an example - Obamacare is built on the concept of electronic medical records, right? What do you do when the system crashes, as ours did yesterday? Actually, it crashed the night before, so Wednesday night. Two whole shifts and parts of two other shifts. The "backup plan" is to revert to hardcopy paper charts. So, staff goes to medical records to get the paper charts. One problem, - you need the computer system to FIND the paper charts - and where they're located......

We're spending today trying to clean-up the mess. All patients that came in have to be registered, all orders for test entered-in and linked to the tests, and then they have to be resulted and then signed . Oh, and do this WHILE doing today's work.........
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 05-09-2014 10:13 AM

kbot - yours is not the only hospital (non-union) having problems with the computers. One of our local Research hospitals (where a friend works) had their computers go blue screen. Luckily we do have IT place and they sent over someone to help (an instructor). However, it still took a day to get them working again.

I did have to smile as his suggestion was to have two computers NOT connected to the system - sort of a backup. It makes sense in a lot of ways - and with all the thumb drives if the main one is down, then find the thumb drive necessary and use it ...
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Been hearing more problems - some on line - about people who supposedly were signed up for ACA that still cannot find names on lists (in their own cities/states). AND other people in chat mIRC who have been informed by their employers that they will have to pay more (one in California) of their employer medical insurance. The CA worker - female - said it will be almost double what she formerly paid.

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Post by kbot » 05-09-2014 11:00 AM

Sigh.........

So, the Obama Administration's contention is that his plan was based on a what!?!??!?? Republican plan called Romneycare!!!! Heard this again just yesterday on Alex Wagner's show on MSNBC.

What they're NOT telling you is that Obamacare is actually punishing Massachusetts and the system that we have had for nearly a decade now, and making things worse. We've had the highest satisfaction with nearly 100% of our residents insured.

Now, in order to meet the ridiculous demands of Obamacare, we have to scrap a system that actually works far better than Obamacare.

Nice way to go supporting "your Liberal friends here in Massachusetts...."

Mass. Plan For New Health Insurance Exchange Has Estimated Price Tag Of $121 Million

May 09, 2014



After millions of dollars have already been spent on attempts to fix Massachusetts' online marketplace, known as the Health Connector, insurers and some exchange board members say the cost is too high. Meanwhile, news outlets also report on developments from Connecticut, Maryland, California, Oregon and Illinois.

The New York Times: Massachusetts Pushes Fix For State Health Exchange
The board of the broken Massachusetts health insurance exchange voted on Thursday to support a state plan to buy new software to help people enroll in coverage, while also preparing to join the federal marketplace if the system is not ready by fall. But insurers complained about the plan, and several members of the exchange board expressed concerns about the cost — an estimated $121 million, on top of tens of millions already spent on the broken exchange, known as the Health Connector (Goodnough, 5/8).

The Boston Globe: New Mass. Health Website Estimated To Cost $121M
The estimated price tag for ensuring that Massachusetts has a functioning health insurance website is $121 million, and, even then, consumers are unlikely to get a one-stop shopping experience this fall as they search for health plans, state officials said Thursday. Sarah Iselin, the insurance executive whom Governor Deval Patrick tapped to oversee repairs to the state’s broken Health Connector website, said Massachusetts intends to ask the federal government to pay for the fix. The state has already received $174 million in federal funds to build a site that is compliant with the federal health care law, but about a third of that money has been spent, and Iselin said the Patrick administration is sorting out how much of the remaining $117 million has been committed to pay contractors for work already done (Lazar, 5/8).

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-R ... alth+News)

Another article:

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Massachusetts decided to scrap its health-insurance website. It was set up in 2006 when Mitt Romney, who was governor at the time, reformed the state’s health-care system. The website had worked fine until the introduction of Obamacare: Massachusetts asked the same firm that built the troubled online federal insurance-exchange to upgrade its site. It will ask a different company to design a new one.

http://www.economist.com/news/world-wee ... =rss%7Ctwt
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 05-14-2014 10:09 AM

and then today more ACA waste - employees paid to just sit around....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05 ... lower-says
Employees at an ObamaCare processing center in Missouri with a contract worth
Employees at an ObamaCare processing center in Missouri with a contract worth $1.2 billion are reportedly getting paid to do nothing but sit at their computers.
"Their goals are set to process two applications per month and some people are not even able to do that," a whistleblower told KMOV-TV, referring to employees hired to process paper applications for ObamaCare enrollees.
The facility in Wentzville is operated by Serco, a company owned by a British firm that was awarded $1.2 billion in part to hire 1,500 workers to handle paper applications for coverage under the law, according to The Washington Post.
.2 billion are reportedly getting paid to do nothing but sit at their computers.
"Their goals are set to process two applications per month and some people are not even able to do that," a whistleblower told KMOV-TV, referring to employees hired to process paper applications for ObamaCare enrollees.
The facility in Wentzville is operated by Serco, a company owned by a British firm that was awarded
Employees at an ObamaCare processing center in Missouri with a contract worth $1.2 billion are reportedly getting paid to do nothing but sit at their computers.
"Their goals are set to process two applications per month and some people are not even able to do that," a whistleblower told KMOV-TV, referring to employees hired to process paper applications for ObamaCare enrollees.
The facility in Wentzville is operated by Serco, a company owned by a British firm that was awarded $1.2 billion in part to hire 1,500 workers to handle paper applications for coverage under the law, according to The Washington Post.
.2 billion in part to hire 1,500 workers to handle paper applications for coverage under the law, according to The Washington Post.
read more at above site...........

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Post by kbot » 05-14-2014 10:47 AM

Damn, I knew I was in the wrong part of the job.......

My wife came home last night, had a quick supper and passed out on the couch. She was told yesterday that more than likely she'll be working a double due to a lack of staff.

Where I work, we have an X-Ray unit literally falling apart in the techs hands, a CT unit that is broken that craps the bed a few times in the course of a day, outdated operating system software no longer supported by Microsoft and
an outpatient Laboratory operation that was just yanked out from underneath a department manager with layoff of his staff - with no prior notice given to the manager.

And here we have people hired by the government to process non-existent applications to just sit around all day.

Yup, this is sooooo much better.....
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 05-14-2014 11:37 AM

kbot -- sad to hear what is going on there. Downright disgusting!!

Then read the stuff going on in CA and how much they have spent (ACA) and going higher....

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Post by kbot » 05-14-2014 12:54 PM

Yeah, staff is getting discouraged, to say the least. Just found out about a friend who's been working here in MRI for a while now - he just put-in his resignation and will be doing applications for GE. It's sad - he's a great resource. In addition to working in MRI - he started in MR when the field was just getting started in the 1970s - he also was an instructor at the local colleges, and he also had an arrangement where he'd get flown out to various locations around the country to give lectures.

Got a feeling we're going to be sold again sometime this year. Administration isn't rushing to make any major expenditures - they don't want to be carrying any large balances (like for a new CT unit..... :realmad: ) and everyone's walking on eggshells.......
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 05-14-2014 02:27 PM

kbot - think I told you hubby used to install x-ray units, film processors and fix and clean the same - did so since the 1970s - then along came all the digital stuff. The only thing that is left are a few mammo units. They had switched to digital in the trucks that went to distant places (small country towns) -but oops the roads - well had to go back to regular units.

NOW those are also disappearing and the people in small towns in the middle of 'nowhere' so to speak - 100s of miles from hospitals...will be going without. They are lucky if they at least have a doctor's office and many of those are now closing or going to shared doctors - two days a week.

I wish you all the luck in the world that your place will still be around in a year or two....so many are closing down to clinic basis.... :(

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Post by kbot » 05-15-2014 06:47 AM

I used to work for a company that provided service to nursing homes, group homes - even private homes. That company got bought out a few years after I left to come here.

Yeah, the rules are changing, and many of these companies will be forced to either shut down, or shift focus.

When I got my discharge from the Air Force back in the 70s, I stayed in Omaha because no one was hiring back here in Mass, and there was a position open at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, so I worked there for a few years and got to see a lot in a major trauma center.

The city had a fabulous healthcare system - a number of ex-Vietnam vets got together and formed a medflight company that provided services from the local towns outside Omaha and Lincoln (let's face it - one you get outside the Omaha/ Council Bluffs and Lincoln areas, there's a lot of wide open land - and very little in terms of hospitals. But, if there was a serious injury or illness, these guys used to be able to fly-in and get the patients to a hospital quickly.

They had mobile ICUs (converted Winnebago's) - and I think that it was in this way of thinking that the concept of the Angel Flights was developed.

Now, it appears, that a lot of this will necessarily have to go by the wayside since this sort of healthcare doesn't fit the cookie-cutter methodology being put into place.
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 05-15-2014 03:07 PM

On today's local talk radio one of the ladies complained that her blood work cost her $631 or 32, all because the lab "was not covered by her insurance policy" - which was unknown to her. She even presented the blood work lab with her medical card and they did not tell her oh you aren't covered.

The lab is connected to the dr's office which IS covered. Other labs in the area are also covered by her medical insurance.

After her talking about this, several callers came on and said they were having the same problems.

When you go to a lab -- make sure that lab accepts your card - the answer is ASK!!!

Since ACA came about several labs that DID accept many insurance companies - no longer do....

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