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Post by Riddick » 06-29-2013 03:41 PM

Raggedyann wrote: Thank God for watered down cons!
On the subject of watered-down, would you believe seems to me the Left needs be on guard at all times against right-wing tendencies within its own numbers? There, education is the key to prevention; one must keep up with the latest and greatest developments in enlightened thought or risk conversion to the dark side -

So much as it may be difficult for conservatives to become liberal, a straightforward switch the other way around though protracted requires less effort.. if a liberal merely sticks to the principles they hold at some particular point in time, in twenty years or so VOILA! They'll be conservative.

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Post by HB3 » 06-29-2013 04:09 PM

Well yeah, like I always say, socialism can work perfectly well within a relatively homogeneous population that shares the same basic values and identity. Canada, Sweden, England, whatever...thank your relatively stable immigration system, relatively isolated geographic location, and low population density, among other things.

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Post by Diogenes » 06-29-2013 04:32 PM

HB3 wrote: Well yeah, like I always say, socialism can work perfectly well within a relatively homogeneous population that shares the same basic values and identity. Canada, Sweden, England, whatever...thank your relatively stable immigration system, relatively isolated geographic location, and low population density, among other things.


Exactly - it's when you start shoving it down the throats of 335M the trouble begins and then basically having abandoned your borders - trouble.
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Post by voguy » 06-29-2013 06:14 PM

Socialism only works until one person deems it necessary to take more than their share, or change the rules for the others.
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Post by HB3 » 06-29-2013 06:50 PM

Well, it's worked fine in the aforementioned European countries for quite some time. I think it's something else, like it breaks down when it tries to "go global" or "universal," which I suppose is its natural tendency anyway. The piece I quoted about the Canadian Human Rights law is an example of this. But clearly, something has gone right in the Harper government here, and the Canadian left is -- shockingly! -- displeased with this obvious victory for civil rights in Canada. So, I will gladly celebrate Canada Day, including the Harper government, for this momentary outbreak of sanity in the frozen north.

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Post by HB3 » 06-29-2013 06:52 PM

By the way, the title of this thread reminds me of this line from William Blake:

"So your chimneys I sweep, and in soot I sleep."

-- The Chimney Sweeper

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Post by Riddick » 06-29-2013 10:47 PM

Diogenes [/i] [quote][i]Originally posted by HB3 wrote: Well yeah, like I always say, socialism can work perfectly well within a relatively homogeneous population that shares the same basic values and identity. Canada, Sweden, England, whatever...thank your relatively stable immigration system, relatively isolated geographic location, and low population density, among other things.

Exactly - it's when you start shoving it down the throats of 335M the trouble begins and then basically having abandoned your borders - trouble. [/quote]335 million is peanuts. How about a planet of 7 billion?

The Great Global Village. The zenith, the acme, the undying dream of optimistically unbound collectivist idealism. A world where all artificial barriers between us have been breached, and each and every one of Earth's children has access to food, shelter, clothing, healthcare, transport, education, entertainment and flavored prophylactics.

While poorer multitudes would obviously welcome a system where a not-insignificant slice of the wealth of nations was guaranteed to be theirs, without worry and free from fear anything was expected in return, populations where all that wealth came from would be far less thrilled with the prospect - Any of this sound familiar...?

So much as something similar is playing out in America, what happens here well may be a sign of what's to come ON a grander scale - For instance, IMHO, it's no accident Obamacare is a Big Government/Big Business operation where the twin "Lyin' Kings" take their share off the top, and for the rest? What you see is ALL you're gonna get.

It may come as a sorry surprise to some that capitalists AREN'T the only predators out there, but if the idea is to propagate a universal creed of collectivism you need a very rich, very powerful, VERY authoritarian organization, and you'll not get THAT from forming partnerships with peons! (Though they DO make for useful political pawns.)

Methods differ yet, to one extent or another, between the Dems and Reps what we have today is capitalism and the welfare state working NOT in opposition, but in tandem - and lest we forget, regardless of party ruling elites are all members of The Big Club, and you and I ain't in it. Bottom line whatever they do is done for their benefit.

Looking at the scorecard, so far, so good for Elites, each side deftly playing the peons to their own ends on the chessboard; either way, The Club's got game - and as the Darwinian Socialism model moves beyond America to encompass the world stage, I would say for Terrans to accept ANY promises of paradise will be only at their peril.

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Post by Riddick » 06-29-2013 10:53 PM

voguy wrote: Socialism only works until one person deems it necessary to take more than their share, or change the rules for the others.
A serious socialist would never dictate taking more than their fair distribution! As such, it's unlikely they'd change rules at all indiscriminately or without cause, making alterations upon proper reflection of their status and stature that their share is insufficient relative to the important work of determining what's fair and proper FOR the others:

By way of familiar allegory, picture a farm where horses and oxen faithfully toil away to the point of exhaustion or death, while they and other animals see rations reduced - At the same time all the more of what they produce is taken away, leaving a living standard lower than ever and below anything anyone would wish on their worst enemy -

Clearly, the singularly obvious conclusion to be made here is all this grotesque injustice is the horrid handiwork of a totally unconscionable agribusinessman or conglomerate. HAH! If only!

Meanwhile, back at the farm house, partying pigs living high on the hog are pleased as punch to be plotting out the next 5 year production plan with a 300% quota increase and a 60% cut in rations, all across the board - Well NOT exactly all across, as those deserving will see a suitably sizable jump in recompense, benefits and vacation -

'Course those judged deserving are porcine. What could be fairer? It'd be a huge mistake to believe greed drives them; far from being capitalist pigs, no more and no less do they determine what's right and what's wrong ONLY in devoted dedication to the collective cause, just as it should be for all the less intelligent animals on the farm.

Regardless of its oinky origins, once the door is opened to let tyranny in, unaddressed its bureaucratic basis begins to snowball, knowhutImean?

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Post by Doka » 06-29-2013 11:21 PM

The Original reason for revolt, war. Over and over and over. This planet seems to be stuck in a cycle. The old more things change the more they stay the same routine. The endless per suite for something better, brings us to the brink. I am beginning to believe it is only the personal journey, that makes any difference. :confused:
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Post by Riddick » 06-30-2013 01:33 AM

Doka wrote: The Original reason for revolt, war. Over and over and over. This planet seems to be stuck in a cycle. The old more things change the more they stay the same routine. The endless per suite for something better, brings us to the brink. I am beginning to believe it is only the personal journey, that makes any difference. :confused:
I believe George Carlin would say much the same. He said he liked people and thought they were great one-by-one, for about a minute. You look in their eyes and you can see the stardust. We're all the same thing.

What he hated was when they bunch up more than eight to twelve at a time. They start having slogans, fight songs, gang names, hats and clothes with their name on it, compiling lists of people they don't like, and go on the march demonstrating their dedication to their particular brand of groupthink.

Sacrificing individuality is dangerous as well as tragic - Talk about being stuck in an endless rut, when in human history hasn't unbridled collectivism lead to trouble? All in all, people clotting isn't the answer, it's the (expletive) problem.

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