Banghazi WH knew within 2 hours

[Raggedyann]

This statement from the article doesn't make a lot of sense to me:

"Obama, in order to make the release of the Blind Sheik more palatable to the American people, and to boost his sagging approval ratings, arranged with the Muslim Brotherhood to kidnap Ambassador Stevens."

Stevens was killed on Sept 11th. Obama's approval ratings were quite high until after he flubbed the first Presidential debate on Oct 3rd.

"A closer look at the data, however, suggests a shift related to the first presidential debate between Obama and Romney that occurred on Oct. 3. Prior to the debate, 49 percent said they would vote for Obama and 40 percent chose Romney. After the debate, 49 percent of those surveyed chose Romney compared to 43 percent for Obama."

http://jomc.unc.edu/homepage-news-slot- ... race-in-nc

[Diogenes]

The Dem convention was full of Osama Bin Laden is dead and Al Quaeda is on the run or non existent. That message was beaten home time and time again during that week and on the campaign trail - particularly by the VP.

The economy is in the tank so they hung their hat on the Presidents excellent handling of foreign policy, no terrorists attacks at home, pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan and leading from behind.

I don't think it's out of the realm of believablity that this "blip on the screen" or "not optimal" situation took on political equivocation.

[Fan]

I don't necessarily agree with what that article posits as the reason, however, it does look like it was a botched kidnapping, that is what many thought right after the event. It was almost certainly known about and planned in some way by people in power. I would point more to Hillary but who knows.

[Raggedyann]

I don't necessarily agree with what that article posits as the reason, however, it does look like it was a botched kidnapping, that is what many thought right after the event. It was almost certainly known about and planned in some way by people in power. I would point more to Hillary but who knows.

Ya, my first thoughts after these things occur are... who is behind it and why? Crappy that we are all forced into being so cynical and suspicious now.

[HB3]

Better than blaming the "Other" -- ie, Islamic terrorists -- which is simply inconceivable. Somehow, some way, Western evil is responsible.

[HB3]

Which was basically the position of the State Department anyway -- it's not terrorism, it's what WE'VE done, ie, the video.

[Fan]

Better than blaming the "Other" -- ie, Islamic terrorists -- which is simply inconceivable. Somehow, some way, Western evil is responsible.

They are not evil enough in those areas we want to attack and occupy. We have to make them look evil with fake attacks against ourselves. It has been done again and again. It is a great plan. The average citizen, even when faced with overwhelming evidence of complicity will still have cognitive dissonance and believe they are on the side of good.

[HB3]

Yeah, we wanted to blame and demonize Islam, which is why we blamed a US filmmaker who had nothing to do with the attacks, and steadfastedly refused to identify the attack as Islamic terrorism.

[HB3]

This seems a good summary based on what we know so far:

The president was aware in real time of an organized military assault on our consulate and the nearby CIA annex in Benghazi.

As the assault was proceeding, the president rejected the urgent requests of the personnel under attack for military assistance that could have stopped the attack on the annex.

Then, having refused to take action to stop the military assault, he concealed the very fact that this military assault had even occurred, claiming that it was only a spontaneous mob protest against an obscure anti-Islam video on the Web which had gotten out of hand, and, further, that the source of the problem was not organized jihadist enemies in the country we had “liberated,” but Islamophobia in the United States.

He had his administration repeat this false claim for two weeks, only dropping it when the truth came out and the lie was no longer sustainable.

A month later, he told a bald-faced Orwellian lie in the second presidential debate that he had not concealed the nature of the attack, because he had said the day after the attack that it was a “terrorist” attack. The moderator, in an unheard of step, interjected herself into the debate to back the president up in this bald-faced Orwellian lie; the rest of the media backed up the moderator and the president; and the media also continued to spout the administration line that the only reason there is any issue about the Benghazi attack is that the Republicans are seeking partisan advantage from it.

The Republican presidential nominee at the third debate declined to discuss the issue at all, allowing the president to get away with his spectacularly dishonest and arguably treasonous behavior.

Finally, the zombie-like American people, whose only concern is their personal lives and whose entire grasp of politics is that the Republicans are for the rich and the Democrats are for the little guy, are on the verge of re-electing this spectacularly lying and arguably treasonous president.

[Diogenes]

Yeah, we wanted to blame and demonize Islam, which is why we blamed a US filmmaker who had nothing to do with the attacks, and steadfastedly refused to identify the attack as Islamic terrorism.

HB do you know how many hits that video had prior to the Benghazi attack? I've tried to look that up and can't seem to find it.

Would be very curious to know. By the way to my knowledge the filmaker is still in jail - now I understand he was in violation of his parole?

Oh well if he was so out of compliance and such a threat why didn't they have him all along.

Never mind I know the answer.

[HB3]

No idea about how many hits the video had. But consider the timeline of the administration's story. First the attack was a spontaneous assault because of their totally justified outrage over the inconceivably offensive video, which the American government -- including Hillary -- took endless pains to distance themselves from, continually describing it in the worst way possible.

Apparently, the government was doing this to trick people, and really get them to blame Islamic extremism by not blaming Islamic extremism, for the ways of the Islamophobe are tricky indeed. Hillary blamed an obscure video that no one knew about in order to prevent people from blaming an obscure video no one knew about. In the same way, the US government has refused to call the Fort Hood mass murder an act of Islamic jihad -- even though the perp, Major Hassad, shouted "Allahu Ackbar!" while he was blowing away US troops -- instead calling it "workplace violence," because what they really want to do is blame and demonize Islam, and the best way to do this is not to blame and demonize Islam.

Now they're saying that the consulate attacks were a combination of spontaneous attack and jihadist terror. These guys were sort of hanging around in a loosely assembled paramilitary force, when suddenly, they heard about the video, and proceeded to engage in a 7+ hour military attack, that, you know, just got out of hand due to their totally understandable, totally justifiable outrage at that evil, monstrous, possibly Zionist video.

[kbot]

No idea about how many hits the video had. But consider the timeline of the administration's story. First the attack was a spontaneous assault because of their totally justified outrage over the inconceivably offensive video, which the American government -- including Hillary -- took endless pains to distance themselves from, continually describing it in the worst way possible.

Apparently, the government was doing this to trick people, and really get them to blame Islamic extremism by not blaming Islamic extremism, for the ways of the Islamophobe are tricky indeed. Hillary blamed an obscure video that no one knew about in order to prevent people from blaming an obscure video no one knew about. In the same way, the US government has refused to call the Fort Hood mass murder an act of Islamic jihad -- even though the perp, Major Hassad, shouted "Allahu Ackbar!" while he was blowing away US troops -- instead calling it "workplace violence," because what they really want to do is blame and demonize Islam, and the best way to do this is not to blame and demonize Islam.

Now they're saying that the consulate attacks were a combination of spontaneous attack and jihadist terror. These guys were sort of hanging around in a loosely assembled paramilitary force, when suddenly, they heard about the video, and proceeded to engage in a 7+ hour military attack, that, you know, just got out of hand due to their totally understandable, totally justifiable outrage at that evil, monstrous, possibly Zionist video.

The more I read this, the more I keep thinking Gulf of Tonkin.......

[BenSlain]

Yeah, we wanted to blame and demonize Islam, which is why we blamed a US filmmaker who had nothing to do with the attacks, and steadfastedly refused to identify the attack as Islamic terrorism.

Well yea. When ya put it that way.

[Cherry Kelly]

and then we heard that the cia (?Fbi) obtained a video of the attack from a running camera inside the compound that shows the attackers. We have asked to see it. (McCain on tv) Were refused as the film is "CLASSIFIED"...

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And the dem reps on interview - we will investigate AFTER the elections.... was all they spouted.... WHAT THE! frick

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[Diogenes]

and then we heard that the cia (?Fbi) obtained a video of the attack from a running camera inside the compound that shows the attackers. We have asked to see it. (McCain on tv) Were refused as the film is "CLASSIFIED"...

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And the dem reps on interview - we will investigate AFTER the elections.... was all they spouted.... WHAT THE! frick

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And then we have this................................

http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2012/10 ... t-benghazi

Again I keep repeating myself - if this were President Bush:rolleyes: