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Post by Raggedyann » 10-18-2012 03:40 AM

Diogenes wrote: RA you better do some more research on this as he has a very good record in terms of women in his cabinet - not just low or level entry positions.

http://www.blogher.com/what-women-shoul ... itt-romney

I didn't see any specific positions mentioned in this blog so it's hard to say if these women are mainly made up of support staff or not.

Here is an article about the non profit group that Romney was referring to.
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The advocacy group that provided Mitt Romney’s 2002 Massachusetts gubernatorial team with the “binders full of women” Romney referenced in Tuesday night’s presidential debate says the Republican presidential nominee didn’t exactly have the facts right when he told the tale at Hofstra University.

The binders of prospective female appointees that Romney claimed to have had compiled upon being elected to the top job in the Bay State a decade ago were actually made without his guidance before he won, officials with MassGAP, an advocacy group focused on getting more women into top Massachusetts government jobs, said Wednesday.

“While MassGAP is a nonpartisan effort, its organizers feel it is imperative to set the record straight about the efforts it spearheaded in 2002 and the results of that effort,” Marissa Szabo, associate director of the MA Women’s Political Caucus (lead sponsor of MassGAP) told TPM Wednesday.

Here’s how Romney told the story on the debate stage Tuesday.

“We took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet,” he said. “I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ ... hp?ref=fpa

"Binders full of women". :D I think a better choice of words could have been "They provided me with many outstanding resumes from qualified women". The guy is as good as Biden with the gaffe routine.
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Post by Raggedyann » 10-18-2012 03:41 AM

Eric Markowitz | Inc.com staff

In an animated debate last night, Governor Romney made at least one camera-ready gaffe. In describing how, as Governor of Massachusetts, he placed women in top leadership roles, he says his managers brought him "binders full of women" to choose from. It was tone-deaf and awkward, and I'm sure his campaign manager winced a bit when he heard it.

But Romney's next comment, in the following sentence, contained really the troublesome part: It was just not true.

Romney continued on to say, "I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America."

Ignoring the fact that there is no "University of New York in Albany"--he means SUNY Albany or University of Albany--I did some rudimentary fact-checking to see what this report was all about. Pretty soon, I came across the report in question: "Women's Leadership Profile, 2004."

Nowhere in that report does it "conclude" that Massachusetts, or Romney, had "more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America."

In Massachusetts, women held 54.5% of top advisor roles. Which, to give Romney some credit, absolutely was higher than the national average.

The only problem is that several other states have a higher percentage of women in top advisor roles. In Arizona, women held 61.3%. In Florida, it was 57.1%. In Iowa, 60%.

At best, Romney's statement was a casual exaggeration. At worst, it was a lie.

Now, let's go a step further, because one study is never really good enough when it comes to statistics. I decided to take a more holistic look at policy leadership on a state-by-state level. Luckily, I didn't have to go to far. The same researchers within Center for Women in Government & Civil Society at SUNY Albany authored a 2005 report titled Women in State Policy Leadership, 1998 - 2005 An Analysis of Slow and Uneven Progress.
Here's where you can really see how states compare when it comes to women in leadership and policy roles. On page four, the researchers rank "State Data on Total Women Policy Leaders in Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches."

In 1998, Massachusetts ranked 25. In 2005--after Romney assumed office--the state moved up merely three spots to 22.

Arizona was first. Then Nevada. Then 19 other states until you finally get to Massachusetts.

In other words, when it comes to putting women in leadership roles, Romney and his campaign have been, well, completely and utterly unremarkable.

http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/fact- ... rsity.html
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Post by HB3 » 10-18-2012 07:36 AM

So they're really going all in w/ the "binders full of women" thing. Wow. Sad.

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Post by Cherry Kelly » 10-18-2012 09:14 AM

RA -- you can laugh if you want but OBAMA LIED and the lies are outlined. Too bad you continue to ignore his lies.

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OH YA today they upgraded the unemployment figures - you know added the ones that had been missing from the original - sort of late getting them in. OOPS! Yet again. NOW if Obama had been a GOP I'll bet every DEM would have been yelling about that.

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HB3 - of course the Dems will play upon women binders bit. Pretty obvious binders are resumes to anyone who has worked in businesses.

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Major polls show R at 51% and Obama at 45%. hmmm...

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Post by Diogenes » 10-18-2012 10:03 AM

Raggedyann wrote: I didn't see any specific positions mentioned in this blog so it's hard to say if these women are mainly made up of support staff or not.

Here is an article about the non profit group that Romney was referring to.
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The advocacy group that provided Mitt Romney’s 2002 Massachusetts gubernatorial team with the “binders full of women” Romney referenced in Tuesday night’s presidential debate says the Republican presidential nominee didn’t exactly have the facts right when he told the tale at Hofstra University.

The binders of prospective female appointees that Romney claimed to have had compiled upon being elected to the top job in the Bay State a decade ago were actually made without his guidance before he won, officials with MassGAP, an advocacy group focused on getting more women into top Massachusetts government jobs, said Wednesday.

“While MassGAP is a nonpartisan effort, its organizers feel it is imperative to set the record straight about the efforts it spearheaded in 2002 and the results of that effort,” Marissa Szabo, associate director of the MA Women’s Political Caucus (lead sponsor of MassGAP) told TPM Wednesday.

Here’s how Romney told the story on the debate stage Tuesday.

“We took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet,” he said. “I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ ... hp?ref=fpa

"Binders full of women". :D I think a better choice of words could have been "They provided me with many outstanding resumes from qualified women". The guy is as good as Biden with the gaffe routine.


RA I provided you with testimonials from women who have actually worked with and for Mit tRomney - that is more meaningful than blah blah blah as it is real time - sort of like watching the Benghazi attack and then denying what actually occurred as the.

Just this snippet from (binders) of real women is more testimonial on record than from anyone in the President's past. I was watching an interview with Craig the brother in law and Michelle the wife and oh my goodness - blah blah blah and more blah - but someone significant on a personal level from his past? NOTHING of any significance.

You worked for a long time and I know you came in touch with bosses who were frankly obnoxious - I can remember one time the boss was doing my review and he said "you know I saw a note on your desk, pick up dry cleaning, grocery store, and other reminders for errands". He cautioned me about doing personal work on company time. I asked him if there was ever anything which needed to be done by him or a client which I had not attended to and he said absolutely not and I told him - then don't worry about my notes to myself - PERIOD>




To say that "binders full of women" is a gaffe tantamount to Joe - oh please - Joe's gaffess are comparable to someone with Tourettes - he could and would not stop.

Yes it could have been said differently but for goodness sakes put yourself in the position of any candidate in a Presidential debate - if all you can come up with is "binders full of women" please that is weak.

Now here is some real fact checking -in all of these debates the Democratic candidate has had more speaking time as was the case in this second Presidential debate - I believe something like 9 minutes more for the President. Don't you think if you were up against a biased and incorrect moderator like Crowley you might have been trying to get it all out before she comes down on you with more NOT correct fact checking comments and telling the President "don't worry we will get the transcripts" and the President saying "Candy can we hear that one again" In other words proof she was displaying bias.
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Post by Diogenes » 10-18-2012 12:13 PM

Raggedyann wrote: I didn't see any specific positions mentioned in this blog so it's hard to say if these women are mainly made up of support staff or not.

Here is an article about the non profit group that Romney was referring to.
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The advocacy group that provided Mitt Romney’s 2002 Massachusetts gubernatorial team with the “binders full of women” Romney referenced in Tuesday night’s presidential debate says the Republican presidential nominee didn’t exactly have the facts right when he told the tale at Hofstra University.

The binders of prospective female appointees that Romney claimed to have had compiled upon being elected to the top job in the Bay State a decade ago were actually made without his guidance before he won, officials with MassGAP, an advocacy group focused on getting more women into top Massachusetts government jobs, said Wednesday.

“While MassGAP is a nonpartisan effort, its organizers feel it is imperative to set the record straight about the efforts it spearheaded in 2002 and the results of that effort,” Marissa Szabo, associate director of the MA Women’s Political Caucus (lead sponsor of MassGAP) told TPM Wednesday.

Here’s how Romney told the story on the debate stage Tuesday.

“We took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet,” he said. “I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ ... hp?ref=fpa

"Binders full of women". :D I think a better choice of words could have been "They provided me with many outstanding resumes from qualified women". The guy is as good as Biden with the gaffe routine.


RA have you ever listened to Greta Van Sustern?

She is straight down the line and keeps her personal bias to herself and reports like a journalist should - in my opinion.
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 10-18-2012 01:13 PM

diogenes -- yes he probably should have said binders of resumes. It is pretty obvious that Obama has no idea what a binder is at all when it comes to business, course I guess same could be said about some others as well.

I used to have binders on a lot of various areas such as one where groups of employees worked. Or binders with suppliers for various types of items used in the factory work. As head accountant I had to keep a lot of binder type file records. Of course I am talking about a time when computers were still being slowly implemented into many businesses. However, even after computers became common, binders of information (print outs etc.) were still used. Today, it is easy to disc off (thumb drive or cd/dvds) for backup.

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Post by Raggedyann » 10-18-2012 02:41 PM

Diogenes wrote: RA have you ever listened to Greta Van Sustern?

She is straight down the line and keeps her personal bias to herself and reports like a journalist should - in my opinion.

I used to watch Greta a lot. And then she acquired Sarah Palin as her BFF. Did me in. :confused:

As for Romney's binder comment, this just reinforces his complete disconnect with real people. The comment was sloppily disrespectful and revealing of how his brain assimilates human beings. This man was assembled in a factory in China. Stole that one from Jon Stewart. :D
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Post by Doka » 10-18-2012 07:35 PM

I find this interesting. Although Romneys retirement may be large, I don't see it that large, I would think it would be in something else. But it is really cool to find out that he did not take one penny from the state of Mass, for being governor, therefore not eligible for a State retirement fund. Takers take. Mr Romney has, so he gives. Refreshing!:)


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Post by Diogenes » 10-18-2012 07:40 PM

Doka wrote: I find this interesting. Although Romneys retirement may be large, I don't see it that large, I would think it would be in something else. But it is really cool to find out that he did not take one penny from the state of Mass, for being governor, therefore not eligible for a State retirement fund. Takers take. Mr Romney has, so he gives. Refreshing!:)


http://www.cnbc.com/id/49450057


The TRUTH is Gov Romney has no pension - President Obama does. Governor Romney has a 90M IRA - the President's pension is from US.

He does have investments in China and elsewhere - just too illiterate economically to understand - he really is ignorant about putting two nickels together to make a dime.
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Post by HB3 » 10-18-2012 07:42 PM

Raggedyann wrote: The comment was sloppily disrespectful and revealing of how his brain assimilates human beings.


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Post by Doka » 10-18-2012 07:55 PM

Hey HB3

Makes the Binders thing look as stupid as it really is. The Pres was just talking about the death of our people.

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Post by Diogenes » 10-18-2012 08:03 PM

Makes me wonder about my theory that there are basic personality differences between the right and the left in general.:( ;)

How petty and empty headed does one have to be to focus on the "binders" comment.

Was watching a woman this evening where she said she felt like a second rate citizen in the way men have treated her and the "binders" comment was a put down to her.

What I got from that is this is a woman who is already insecure and any excuse to latch on to something as insignificant as that and then extrapolate that to you personally -well it's just someone I feel sorry for and and shake my head at with incredulity similtaneously.

Then I saw the Ledbetter woman for which the bill is named after - she was disturbed as well by the comment.

Boy am I glad I don't work with these women - talk about - well I won't say it.
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Post by Diogenes » 10-18-2012 10:10 PM

Raggedyann wrote: I used to watch Greta a lot. And then she acquired Sarah Palin as her BFF. Did me in. :confused:

As for Romney's binder comment, this just reinforces his complete disconnect with real people. The comment was sloppily disrespectful and revealing of how his brain assimilates human beings. This man was assembled in a factory in China. Stole that one from Jon Stewart. :D


RA - did you know Mill Maher and Ann Coulter are very close personal friends?

Why did you change your Avatar - I loved Casey.
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