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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 04:57 PM

And so, once again...

You're welcome.

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Post by Linnea » 04-11-2011 05:04 PM

What 'left'?

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Post by SETIsLady » 04-11-2011 05:05 PM

House progressives offer budget plan: Tax the rich, end the wars, slash oil subsidies, invest in jobs - Liberal Dems claim the plan eliminates deficit by 2021
The broad sketch proposes to end the Bush-era tax cuts on high income earners, enact a surtax on millionaires and billionaires, increase the the estate tax and eliminate corporate tax loopholes and subsidies for oil and coal companies. It also aims to create a public health insurance option, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and invest
The broad sketch proposes to end the Bush-era tax cuts on high income earners, enact a surtax on millionaires and billionaires, increase the the estate tax and eliminate corporate tax loopholes and subsidies for oil and coal companies. It also aims to create a public health insurance option, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and invest $1.45 trillion in "job creation," energy, housing and education programs.
.45 trillion in "job creation," energy, housing and education programs.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/11/h ... t-in-jobs/

Copy of proposal here

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/CPC.B ... h.Memo.pdf

Haven't had a chance to read it yet but wanted to make sure everyone saw it.

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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 05:13 PM

Linnea wrote: What 'left'?


Well, Ezra for one. Maybe I should just say the "pro-abortionists." But they do seem to be predominately leftist. Are the libertarians freaking out over this? I bet it's just the opposite, even though they wouldn't have any objections to abortion per se.

The technique of hysterical shaming ("they want to kill women!!!!!!!!!!!!!") will work to an extent, but not totally. That's really a sign of desperation more than anything. And I've been getting phone calls from Planned Parenthood all week. I guess I'm still on some Democrat Party call list or something. ;)

All I'm saying is that they should come up with better arguments. And the best one really is: "The issue has been decided legally. We think we're right, and we think you're wrong. Based on that, everyone's going to share the tax burden equally."

Shaming and arguing percentages aren't going to have much effect.
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Post by SETIsLady » 04-11-2011 05:15 PM

Ok HB theres is no such thing as a "pro abortionist" talk about shaming :rolleyes:

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Post by SETIsLady » 04-11-2011 05:16 PM

HB3 wrote: Based on that, everyone's going to share the tax burden equally."
Yes just like we share Corporate Welfare equally.

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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 05:18 PM

Wait, are the "pro-lifers" for or against abortion? I'm not up on my Orwellian terminology.

Oh, wait! That's "pro-choice." Ok, I've got it.

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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 05:23 PM

SETIsLady wrote: Ok HB theres is no such thing as a "pro abortionist" talk about shaming :rolleyes:


Yeah, sure.
“This is probably one of the worst times we’ve seen because the numbers of people elected to Congress. I went through this as co-chair of the arts caucus,” Slaughter said. “In ’94 people were elected simply to come here to kill the National Endowment for the Arts. Now they’re here to kill women.”
Well, that's reasonable....

http://nation.foxnews.com/rep-louise-sl ... kill-women

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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 05:25 PM

And then she said....

“You are allowed to have an abortion if you have been raped or it’s a matter of incest,” said Slaughter. “However, you have to keep a receipt. Did you know that? It’s sort of like an old German Nazi movie. Show me your papers!”

And no, this is NOT an ironic paraphrase....

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Post by Linnea » 04-11-2011 05:29 PM

Rhetoric is all over the place - across many segments of the political spectrum. A rational discourse would be one - such as Ezra Klein's. He really does not need to address the lunatic fringes. In fact, it is much better that he not do so.

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Post by SETIsLady » 04-11-2011 05:34 PM

This is interesting....speaking about morality :)

Senate Democrat Mark Begich borrows GOP line

Alaska Sen. Mark Begich joined religious leaders at a Capitol Hill church on Monday, arguing that GOP Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan would shred the social safety net for the poor, young and elderly while giving a leg up to the wealthy individuals and corporations.

The federal budget “isn’t just a bunch of numbers on a sheet of paper,” he said. “The budget is a moral document.”

“If you’re just giving millionaires more tax breaks, and giving corporate America more tax breaks, and then throwing over the edge of the ship seniors and children, I think, yeah, it’s a moral argument,” Begich later told reporters, offering his take of the Ryan budget.

“If all you’re doing is arguing over elimination of programs but still adding money for millionaires and billionaires, there’s something wrong with the priorities. And that’s what the debate will be over


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/04 ... z1JFy9uzjx

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Post by Linnea » 04-11-2011 05:44 PM

More rational progressive discourse. ;)

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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 05:56 PM

But wait, I thought morality didn't have any place in discussions about the budget....:D

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Post by Linnea » 04-11-2011 06:37 PM

Well, there is this:
The provision to defund Planned Parenthood was one of the biggest sticking points in crafting a final compromise. And according to the poll*, Democrats may have won a political victory in getting it dropped, as a strong majority of respondents said they oppose that measure. Nearly two-thirds of respondents (65%) opposed eliminating federal funds for Planned Parenthood, versus only 34% who said that funding should be cut off.

The poll was conducted April 9-10 -- the two days following the budget compromise -- among 824 adults nationwide. It has a margin of error of 3.5%.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011 ... utdown.php

yep. From TPM - the new HuffPo ;->

*CNN - recent

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Post by HB3 » 04-11-2011 06:52 PM

Oh, I know. It seems like Democrats will budge on almost anything -- except that.

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